Spoilers Black Widow grade and discussion thread

[theenglish]

Cap has the Super serum so I have always been able to roll with most of his action. I am sometimes surprised just how much a beating Tony Starks armour could take. I mean they are made out of normal metal aren't they?

Basically Cap, and Tony (and everyone else for that matter), is as super-powered as whatever the plot requires. When I go to see an MCU movie I want to see super-hero action, so I am cool with Steve dropping several floors intact or keeping helicopters from flying away or jumping out of planes without a parachute.

So not a fan of the A-Team TV series eh?

It is one of those things that always bothers me regardless of the show or movie.

 

[Jayson1]

The A TEAM might have had low doses of super serum before being sent to Vietnam as soldiers which I believe was their backstory.

 

[fireproof78]

My uncle will be glad to know he's a super soldier.

 

[Jayson1]

I don't think every Vietnam Vet would get it. It would be one of those experiments like in that X-Files ep with Tony Todd were they did something to those soldiers that erased their need to sleep.

 

[fireproof78]

But, it would explain so much.

 

[Ssosmcin]

The A TEAM might have had low doses of super serum before being sent to Vietnam as soldiers which I believe was their backstory.

Not to my knowledge. They were just amazing...

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think BA got Murdock's dose

 

[fireproof78]

Not to my knowledge. They were just amazing...

That's what the A stands for.

 

[Saul]

Only the first one from the cave is really bare bones. The sand dune crash should have killed him. Every later model probably has the equivalent of inertial dampeners and structural integrity fields.

Yeah, the sand dune crash was a bit unrealistic, especially when you consider what happened to Rhodey in Civil War. When Stark is testing thrusters and launches himself into the ceiling unprotected, that should have done some damage.

The A TEAM might have had low doses of super serum before being sent to Vietnam as soldiers which I believe was their backstory.

Everyone they shot and blew up must have had it too.

 

[theenglish]

The A-Team never shot people. They fired a lot of rounds and blew a lot of things up but they were such experts in the work that they never took a life.

 

[Starkers]

It’s a growing trend in films, not just superhero movies. In the original Die Hard, McClane got cut, bruised etc (even if a few stunts challenged the laws of physics), while by the fourth one he was walking off a descending fighter jet and deliberately shooting himself in the shoulder to...I can’t even remember why he did that, actually. And that was 14 years ago, movies have gotten even more outlandish since then.

This is of course one of many reasons why Die Hard is an amazing film. Sure there are a few moments where you think, nah (for me falling down the air shaft and managing to grab hold of one of the other shafts) but overall he doesn't so anything patently impossible in that film, and you feel every cut and bruise and Willis shows you how much pain McClane is in. But yeah by 4 it's just become silly, and don't get me started on 5. Not only is it not a good Die Hard film, it's not even a good action film, just terrible on every level.

As people have said Indy likewise, and even Riggs and Murtaugh, especially in the first Lethal Weapon, they were really put through the wringer.

The A-Team never shot people. They fired a lot of rounds and blew a lot of things up but they were such experts in the work that they never took a life.

Not quite never, I seem to recall the odd occasion, most notably when they went back to Vietnam I seem to recall they used a rocket launcher on a hut that had the evil Vietnamese general clearly inside, and they didn't do the usual thing of showing him being thrown to one side to stagger to his feet like a cartoon character.

 

[fireproof78]

This is of course one of many reasons why Die Hard is an amazing film. Sure there are a few moments where you think, nah (for me falling down the air shaft and managing to grab hold of one of the other shafts) but overall he doesn't so anything patently impossible in that film, and you feel every cut and bruise and Willis shows you how much pain McClane is in. But yeah by 4 it's just become silly, and don't get me started on 5. Not only is it not a good Die Hard film, it's not even a good action film, just terrible on every level.

As people have said Indy likewise, and even Riggs and Murtaugh, especially in the first Lethal Weapon, they were really put through the wringer.

Its just wish fulfillment like video games now.

 

[Ssosmcin]

Stephen J. Cannell did a hilarious interview on the bonus features of the first season DVD set of The A-Team. Paraphrasing:

"People say The A-Team was subversive. It wasn't subversive...it was stupid!"

The series was just light entertainment, an over the top action fantasy that was meant to be ridiculous. When they tried to change the focus in the 5th year after people got tired of it, off it went.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

The movies reflect the comics, Cyclops (for example) could take lots of falls that would probably cripple a normal person. I'm usually OK with it if it doesn't go too overboard. I thought the helicopter in BW survived more damage than the girls lol.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Black Widow's earnings:

With ‘Black Widow’ ticket buying suddenly drying up, growing questions for Disney’s Marvel about what did it in

 

[Saul]

The A-Team never shot people. They fired a lot of rounds and blew a lot of things up but they were such experts in the work that they never took a life.

They've literally thrown grenades at people. Expertly so since the people survived.

Black Widow's earnings:

With ‘Black Widow’ ticket buying suddenly drying up, growing questions for Disney’s Marvel about what did it in

Unlike the article I wouldn't call it Marvel fatigue but it's one of the weakest marvel movies in the past few years. They just need to be more careful with what they put out.

 

[Mage]

Black Widow's earnings:

With ‘Black Widow’ ticket buying suddenly drying up, growing questions for Disney’s Marvel about what did it in

I think it was an article about the same over at Joblo's where it was mentioned that within minutes of going online at Disney+, high quality torrents were found online. Now, minutes sounds exaggerated but I don't doubt that a few hours after its launch it went illegal.
Looked up the article: https://www.joblo.com/movie-news/black-widow-tomorrow-war-pirated-movie

Disney needs to realize that if they put it on a streaming service YOU ALREADY PAY FOR and then ask those subscribers to PAY EVEN MORE a lot of people will say f*** you. The only reason I haven't seen it yet is because my theaterbuddy and I can't match our schedules right now.

 

[fireproof78]

Its Disney; people will say you even if it was a part of the subscription.

 

[Noname Given]

They need to be careful HOW they put MCU stuff out. Once it was streemable on Disney+ pristine digital copies were available for use on various torrent sites. It was the most pirated streaming item that week <---- That level of public access via the net probably paid a big part as most 'early' pirated copies of a film are from someone recording it during a paid public viewing and copies getting torrented from that. Here the pirates had a full and pristine copy available to put up at midnight on the day the film opened thanks to Disney+.
^^^
That also contributed greatly to the poor in theatre performance most likely.

 

[The Wormhole]

I'm not sure there's much mystery here. Because of the pandemic, people aren't going to theatres like they used to. I saw this movie on the Monday after its opening weekend, and there were only five there including me. Add into the fact it's available on Disney+ meaning people have the option of watching it at home. In the event they don't want to slam thirty dollars down to stream one movie, then they know they can wait until the fall when Disney+ will have it available with its regular general content.

Besides, the eighty million Black Widow pulled in opening weekend is still the highest single weekend gross for any movie in 2021, and possibly since the pandemic began (I didn't look that far into the records) which would indicate Marvel is still reigning supreme. Black Widow's box office performance is less about the MCU being in decline and more about movie theatres in general being on life support.