Based on that the last episode revealed that the events in Enterprise only happened on the holodeck

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  1. FederationHistorian

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    I think inspiration has to be taken from the TOS movies and AGT to try and match the spirit of TNG when it was first airing. Much like how the TOS movies were set 20 years after the series aired on tv, the same would have to be done with TNG. Much like in AGT, the Ent-D has undergone a retrofit, although maybe make it happen on the interior of the ship instead of the exterior, as well as new uniforms. And set it in the 2390s or even early 2400s. Its believable that Riker would be captain of the Ent-D by that point. And
    have Troi, Thad and Kestra by his side too.

    But ENT does, at the very least, need to fix how the series ended.
     
  2. Serveaux

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    It's all a fantasy. It's all fake. None of it happened, not one moment of the last fifty-plus years of it.

    Oh, and the NX-01 is a greatly superior design to it's "refit." The refit is simply trying to turn one design into another, pre-existing one, and it doesn't work.
     
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  3. Soong-type Android

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    The last episode is giving a knowing wink to the fan theory that Enterprise is really a product of changes to the timeline caused by the Borg and the TNG crew in the First Contact movie.

    Hear me out. Remember the "here's to the next generation" line? And the whole Riker holodeck thing could be a meta reference to the Next Generation "creating" what we see on Enterprise.

    That's what I think anyway ;)
     
  4. Beautiful and Terrible Romantic

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    Oh, I just thought that was crappy ham-fisted writing to awkwardly shoehorn in the name of the Beebs' favorite child. My mistake.
     
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    "Broken Bow" through "Terra Prime" are set in the 2150's. "These Are the Voyages..." jumped from 2155 of the previous episode to 2161 for the final mission, but set aboard the Enterprise-D holodeck in 2370 during TNG "The Pegasus." In the finale, exterior shots show the Ent-D. All previous episodes show the NX-01. Only the finale takes place on the Ent-D holodeck.

    As for "Regeneration," I imagine Enterprise played out the same in both timelines, or Picard and crew would have returned to a different future. I like to think that all "First Contact" did was add a Borg encounter to the NX-01's adventures that shouldn't have happened. It was lilely classified and burried.
     
  6. Reanok

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    I like Enterprise as a series Tatv the so called finale It was a terrible show horrible writting just a rotten episode.It didn't get any better as the years have gone by either. I watched it awhile back.It still sucks big time:thumbdown::nyah::whistle:.
     
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  7. ChristopherPike

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    The fact Enterprise had a sizable percentage of haters, who would inevitably delight in interpreting the finale as writing-off the whole sherbang as a holodeck fantasy, was reason enough not to make this one.

    If they wanted to sign off, have a goodbye that gives the show's characters their due and then hand the baton back to a "future" Star Trek, there should've been another way to achieve that. It's the need to have Enterprise connect two centuries away to Next Gen, and with a fairly mundane incident of not remotely historical interest, that's at the heart of this flawed idea.
     
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  8. Admiral Jean-Luc Picard

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    The concept was good. Cancelled, let's flash forward 6 years for the final mission. The problem was that it didn't really look or feel six years later. No promotions? Everyone looks the same? Random control pannels on the bridge that look bad? Remember how TNG and VOY finales showed the future as being different?

    The framing device was a good idea. Modern Trek began on TV with TNG, it ends with TNG. Doing this, however... it should have been a 2-hour finale. That would have given more screen time to bow out the show and do the TNG holodeck thing.
     
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    It was an appalling approach to handle these characters that way and I felt the actors should've protested or walkout from the stage after a reading it. I understand they're professionals and they have to do this but how interesting a series finale could've been if Riker all of a sudden transported into ENT reality and has to face events, whatever it may be, and has to watch his own actions so he doesn't destroy his families existence. The stakes should be high, no matter what the series finale maybe, and all of the characters, including Will Riker, has to face something which could mean their doom.
     
  10. NoGrave Dug

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    Actually given that the holodeck portrayal shown in "These are the Voyages" was of events from 200 years past - it's more likely set a holodeck recreation maybe in error, or a revised form of history to cover up certain elements the Federation want to continue to keep secret. :angel:;)
     
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    The novels say it was a section 31 cover up and Trip wasn't killed.
     
  12. F. King Daniel

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    There was a fun Riker/ENT reference in the last episode of Lower Decks season 1...
    Captain Riker of the USS Titan mentions that he's been watching ENT on the holodeck. And he even quoted the theme song:lol:
     
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    That's great!
     
  14. FederationHistorian

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    A lot of TATV’s problem could have been prevented if there had been better editing, and the writers didn’t panic and change aspects of it for the sake of it being a finale for all of Trek.

    From the perspective of the ENT crew:

    - Keep it set in 2155, and don’t flash forwards to 2161 at any point.
    - It’s a ceremony regarding the signing of the Coalition of Planets Charter, and not the founding of the Federation (Troi basically hints at it anyways). It would have tied in with the previous episodes as well if they had.
    - Acknowledge the crew is parting ways after a five-year mission and taking on new assignments/being placed on reserve/being promoted, instead of the end of a ten-year mission.
    - Trip doesn’t die, MACOs rescue him *prevents the biggest grievance of the finale*
    - Shran goes from being dead for three years to being MIA for a year.

    From the perspective of Riker & Troi:

    - If it has to be set during TNG, set it during “Birthright, Part I” instead of “The Pegasus.” That way, Riker’s holodeck use can be explained away as him testing out new holodeck tech (since he never wore a costume into the holodeck, as was custom in TNG), and the image of the Ent-D docked at DS9 would fit in better with the idea of a tribute to all of Trek in the final scene.

    - Otherwise, set it onboard a Galaxy-class USS Titan post-Nemesis. And if a tie-in to “The Pegasus”: is still needed, say Admiral Pressman died or something and it caused Riker to flashback to his days on the USS Pegasus and he’s bingeing on ENT to cope. And replace Data’s voiceover with B4.

    - Have Riker or Troi acknowledge that its nice to look at how everything was pre-Federation, before the Romulan War changed everything. Or instead of saying that Trip doesn’t make it back, say the crew didn’t know the Romulan War would bring them back together.

    Then, what was presented to viewers would have been a passible finale at least. And would have left the door open to more Trek from this time period.

    But the writers panicked due to ENT's sudden cancellation. And while I understand that Memory Alpha was a brand-new thing at the time so they are not going to be looking up every detail on a website to get all the info right, they did not have to give ENT a decisive end like DS9 or VOY. It should have been open ended like TNG. And its partially the fault of the S3 finale “Zero Hour” too, since that episode built up anticipation for a speech at the UFP founding by Archer that was supposed to happen, so the writers attempted to tie up loose ends in a sloppy way. When in reality, they should have ignored it. Temporal Cold War strike again.

    I don’t think the tribute to all of Trek idea was mistake. But the episode could have been handled much better than it was. And a lot of it is just changing dialogue.

    Your idea is more interesting though. It would make for a better link between the TNG era & ENT era instead of a historical holodeck program.
     
  15. WarpTenLizard

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    My takeaway is that the information we learned about the Andorians was real, and possibly the beagle as well. But much of what we saw onscreen was in face a sleezy holo program created and sold by Quark, who took some liberties with Starfleet history.
     
  16. B'elanna_Torres

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    No, I never saw this as a reveal in the slightest.
    There's references to Archer in both the Abrams films and in Discovery.
    The series finale is simply Riker visiting one of the NX01's logged events. While that doesn't make for a particularly good finale, it would have been a fantastic Enterprise-lite episode. I'd take this over any of the Mirror Universe episodes.
     
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    You mean T'Pol as we see her in Enterprise is just Quark's poor man version of 'Vulcan Love Slave' ? Well, at least that would explain the decontamination and the 'neuropressure' scenes ....and I'm surprised he didn't ramp up the sleaziness way further.
     
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  18. Beautiful and Terrible Romantic

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    I gotta say, the idea of TATV being a sleazy holoprogram by Quark is right up there with the "Barclay got drunk and reprogrammed the holodeck to mess with Riker" explanation for being satisfyingly ridiculous. (And TATV certainly was ridiculous, imho.) :beer:
     
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  19. B'elanna_Torres

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    That would explain the decontamination scenes :drool: