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Bad Language in Discovery

Star Trek is filled with contemporary slang. Mostly because it's a show for contemporary audience. Which has nothing to do with being "cute".
The song wasn't by the Bee Gees,it just sampled one of their songs.
So, you think burritos wont be around in the 23rd Century, but chicken sandwiches and coffee will be?

More like contemporary profanity. Obviously it's a show for a contemporary audience, but it's also set in a time that is far removed from what is contemporary. So, they can use Bee Gees or a sampling, the point remains.

I didn't argue that burritos wouldn't be around by then. What I said is that it was mentioned for the same reason that Tippy's character was made to utter bad language.
 
As I understand it, in Season 2, more swears will be added, along with such flowery language as "doo-doo pants" and "butt munch."
 
Burritos weren't banned until 2261. There was an incident.
I heard was after the DelTaco Council on Carniceria Prime went El Pollo Loco and got the Obesityan Order removed that the troubles really began. Fortunately Captain Sisko fixed everything by going back in time to the Taco Bell Riots of 2024, and he made the planet fritada again. And the people churro'd for him.
 
Desensitize everything then wonder why nobody gives a carp? That explains a lot.

No prudishness at all.

But if these shows think that naughty swears make themselves look more "mature", in reality they end up being more juvenile. It's the content, not the gloss slabbed onto it, that makes the show withstand the test of time, or even the initial moment in which it is aired. Then again, some sitcoms manage to pull off. Then again, most shows did just fine for decades...

The amount of murder and violence children are exposed to on TV, movies and Video Games is the real problem, not this.

Parental figures reminding the kiddies what they see on screen is entertainment and not real seems to be too simple a solution, unless mitigating and other factors are involved in real life. Televisions are not nannies in our non-nanny state. Though I'd let them watch "The Nanny" all they'd like. "Oh Mister Sheffield!" :)

It's funny isn't it. I didn't see any 'won't somebody please think of the children' threads when Landry was getting her face ripped off by a giant space racoon. No doubt, the scene between Stamets and Culber made some people uncomfortable as well (if comments on reddit and youtube are anything to go by). I'll never not be saddened by the fact that people are more comfortable with people dying and bloody violence than they are with somebody using a swear or two consenting adults of the same sex showing affection .

The difference is, space raccoons don't exist?

If people didn't react to fictional people dying, there wouldn't have been movie theaters turned into 6' deep swimming pools when Spock died. Metaphorically speaking, since that's a lot of lacrimal secretion, but people did cry...

Youtube comments - it's amazing what is allowed to remain yet what others claim are removed. How can people not be offended by what's there as real life beliefs, but are offended by what's said in a fiction show made ostensibly as intellectual intent? Then again, any sci-fi show that has characters saying "tech" instead of "technology" will speak for itself. I'll stick with TNG and DS9, the latter did edgy things and didn't need to come across so tacky to make it work.

And affection isn't the same thing as lust (treating people as objects for self-gratification).

It seems each person has different tolerances and desensitizations for each issue being stirred up by the episode. A lot of personal experiences end up leading to the end results.
 
More like contemporary profanity. Obviously it's a show for a contemporary audience, but it's also set in a time that is far removed from what is contemporary. So, they can use Bee Gees or a sampling, the point remains.
This is a franchise that references music and art that's two, three or more times as old as the Bee Gees and Wyclef Jean's. So the point fails.
People will always swear. They might find new ways and words, but they will.

I didn't argue that burritos wouldn't be around by then. What I said is that it was mentioned for the same reason that Tippy's character was made to utter bad language.
Not seeing the connection. Earth foods are mentioned all of the time on Star Trek. Coffee, wine, chicken sandwiches, ice cream, cake, sundaes and more. Why is burrito so special?
 
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But if these shows think that naughty swears make themselves look more "mature", in reality they end up being more juvenile. It's the content, not the gloss slabbed onto it, that makes the show withstand the test of time, or even the initial moment in which it is aired. Then again, some sitcoms manage to pull off. Then again, most shows did just fine for decades...
No. Just no. They don't do it because they think it makes them look mature, they don't do it because they think it will attract viewers, they do it because that is how real people speak. Real people curse. Real people say "Fuck Yeah!" Real people say "Holy shit!" Real people exclaim "Goddammit!" They want to reflect the way that real people talk. My wife is an accountant for God's sake, and those people curse like sailors. That is how real people talk. The entire purpose behind "Frak" on BSG or "Frell" on Farscape was so that their characters could curse without getting in trouble because people curse, especially when either stressed or excited. And I honestly DO NOT understand why a certain segment of the population wants to pretend that for some reason people on TV don't.

And, for my own opinion, they are words. Not magic words, regular words. Fuck means the same thing as sex, bang, boink, chill, coitus, and unfortunately in the 70's ball. But for some reason THIS ONE version isn't allowed. Shit means the same as crap, poop, feces, and any Pauly Shore movie. Goddamn I get because you are cursing a deity there so you could potentially either offend your audience or damn your soul for eternity, but outside of that.... just. words. We need to collectively get over damning these words for no good reason other than tradition.
 
They need to bring in Peter Capaldi as an Admiral, in full-on The Loop mode.

Freaking Time Lords getting into everyone's business. President of Earth, than Admiral of Starfleet. Go warp of Dalek you lot.

As for the food slots, wasn't it Burnham that was ranting on Tilly about the nutritional value of the foods rather than the computer? Or am I misremembering that?
 
As long as they get rid of the smarmy computer voice that lectures people about the nutritional content of everything they order...

That and Burnham doing the same. It also reminds me of the scene depicted in this thread, and probably others in the episodes so far which resemble awkward class lectures.
 
This is a franchise that references music and art that's two, three or more times as old as the Bee Gees and Wyclef Jean's. So the point fails.

Perhaps TOS characters referred to, say, the Monkees, or TNG Nirvana, but I can't remember.

People will always swear. They might find new ways and words, but they will.

Of course, they will, but in fictional storytelling there's always a reason why characters are made to do so. What is the reason for this one?

Not seeing the connection. Earth foods are mentioned all of the time on Star Trek. Coffee, wine, chicken sandwiches, ice cream, cake, sundaes and more. Why is burrito so special?

The examples you gave sound very generic. I recall more specific types of food are mentioned in other shows, and I could always figure out the reasons why they appeared: Earl Grey tea and the idea that Picard's character is European (to show another dimension of the "beige" atmosphere of the show), one of those time travel episodes from Voyager involving food that reminded them of American baseball (and many things that the crew misses as they are so far away from their homes), and Scotch for the original cast (perhaps reflecting not only leisurely views of drinking from the '60s but also the view that outside the search for "strange new worlds" they also sought what was both familiar and strangely valuable).

Perhaps there are similar reasons for having contemporary teenage profanity, burritos, and club music for the last few episodes of this franchise, but I still have to find them, or we can probably wait and see if more references crop up. For now, I can only guess that writers are trying to appeal to young viewers.
 
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