Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by dodge, Jun 25, 2017.
Than the point of the season 5 cliffhanger was, what exactly?
The same as the point of the fifty million other cliffhangers in the history of fiction where nobody died. Ever since the trope-naming instance, Thomas Hardy's 1873 serial novel A Pair of Blue Eyes, the point of a cliffhanger has not been to have the hero actually fall off the cliff, but to make you want to come back to find out how they survive hanging from the cliff.
More specifically, the point of Arrow's season-5 cliffhanger was not to kill off any series regulars, it was to kill off Lian Yu. The show spent five years filling in Ollie's time "on the island" in parallel with the present-day narrative. Season 5 was about bringing that flashback narrative to a close and bringing the present-day narrative full circle back to where it began, and capping both off with a definitive ending. Blowing up Lian Yu was symbolic of that, a way of signaling the end of that era of the series and wiping the slate clean.
The ending of season 5 really wasn't a cliffhanger in the traditional sense.
The blowing up of Lian Yu was ceremonial and thematic.
Using less than a ton of conventional explosives, they could have only at best, knocked over some trees and started a fire.
Y'know, I kinda wanted to binge-watch all five seasons of Arrow before this season began, just see the whole 10-year saga as a whole, but I would've wanted to binge the whole Arrowverse in order, and by the time I got around to seriously considering it, I realized there was no way I could finish before the season premieres. Oh, well.
Someone should do an "Island Cut".
Diggle's shoulder appeared to be injured. He looked like he had a hard time pulling the trigger. Could be an injury he's hiding or just PTSD.
Wanted to do the same, but gave up even before including the other series.
That's getting an increasingly impossible task. I just checked, and the Arrowverse is at 263 episodes now, by the time this season ends we'll be at 345, and that's not counting animated series, Constantine and possibly Black Lightning.
Wow. This might end up as one of TV's biggest shared universes. Let's see, Star Trek has 700-plus episodes. No doubt Law & Order and CSI are quite gigantic. Doctor Who is huge, but it's mostly one series. Stargate is pretty big, with 17 seasons of 3 series, probably about 340 episodes. And that's not counting all the sitcoms with multiple spinoffs or crossovers.
Arrow has now moved to Space in Canada (which means at least I can watch the HD version) and they found a good way to hide who was returning for S6.
Stuck a ruddy great on-screen ad right where the actor names were displayed.
Absuolutely, tomalak301 has a point.
This isn't the 60's and we're not 6 years old. Those Batman cliffhangers might have seemed like a real threat then, but unless there is a threat, it is a cheap drama move.
If there IS a death, then it should have lasting consequences...like The Walking Dead.
They COULD have ended season 5 with his baby mama dying, and mayve The a comatose...that wouldn't have changed the season 6 opening drama...
Loved this season's first episode. Ofcourse we knew the gang made it. It was fun however, to find out how. There weren't any details yet on Felicity though....
Quite a bombshell on the ending. Makes you wonder how they're going to tie this in with the earlier arrest of Ollie as the Hood.
Heard about this for the latest episode, with confirmed that _________ exists in the Arrowverse in a preview earlier.
Gotham Responds to Arrow ...
So is this the first time they’ve name dropped Bruce Wayne? I don’t recall
Yep. I think it's also the first mention of Gotham City outside of Supergirl.
Earth-2 Barry did have a Bruce on his speed dial but there was no last name. But considering there was also a Hal and Diana it was probably Bruce Wayne
But yeah first Earth-1 reference
Oh Wayne tech was mentioned on the future newspaper in season 1 of Flash
Also, there was the time Oliver said he wanted to call Felicity Oracle, but it was taken. Indirect, but suggestive.
I'm not sure I like the idea of Batman existing on Earth-1, since if he did, he would probably be a part of this sprawling superhero community we've got now. Then again, some versions of Batman are more committed to the "mysterious loner" thing than others. Maybe it's like the Birds of Prey show or some of the '90s comics, in which Batman was basically an urban legend operating in secret.
It's going to take some getting used to the new rhythm of this show, without flashbacks routinely punctuating the present-day scenes. I kept expecting the "whoosh" sound and a transition to a flashback, and instead it was just a transition to the next bit in the here and now. They've done that on occasion before, but it's probably the new normal now. But that's good, because it gives the present-day storylines and character subplots more room to breathe.
I had the thought months ago that it would be interesting if Oliver gave up field work, passed on the Green Arrow mantle to someone else, and just served as the overall, strategic leader of the team rather than the field leader. Now it looks like they may actually be doing that. It's probably temporary, but imagine if it weren't. Still, I have a hard time believing that Diggle would accept the job when he knows he's not physically capable of it. That seems uncharacteristically irresponsible. Also, I wonder about the logic of it -- "I don't want to orphan my son, so I'll ask you to risk orphaning your son instead." Although I guess the difference is that John Jr. would at least still have a mother.
It's a bit amusing that Felicity wants to start her own tech company, because the comics character she's named after was introduced (in The Fury of Firestorm in 1984) as a software company manager. So she will finally start to bear a bit more resemblance to her original, although I doubt she'll end up in an ongoing feud with Firestorm.
And Oliver's casual public attitude toward the Green Arrow accusations reminds me of how Matt Murdock treated being outed as Daredevil in the Mark Waid comics run -- just laughing it off and patiently denying it. (At one point, he even got an I'M NOT DAREDEVIL t-shirt made up.)
I think I'm going to like this Felicity and Curtis dynamic. They have good chemistry together and I'm interested to see where this storyline is going.
As for the rest, it was a decent episode. I kind of wish they would stop doing the whole Oliver being investigated for being the Green Arrow storyline, which has happened twice before. Also, William feels like he's dragging this series down. I'm not really keen of kid storylines in shows so this is treading on thin ice for me. I do like Diggle's storyline though, even though having him be the new Green Arrow was something I didn't expect. It will probably be retconned after next episode though, so I don't see this lasting long.
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