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Spoilers Arachnids in the UK grade and discussion thread

How do you rate Arachnids in the UK?


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I hate to say it but Jodie's Doctor is starting to feel very One Note. It's important to add that it's the writing and not her that's at fault but all she's being given to play is the Goofy side of Matt Smith with occasional touches of Angry Tennant.

Have to agree with you to a great extent. At the end of the day it's all very new and I'm sure she's bedding in as all Doctors have had to (with a few exceptions like Matt) but at the moment she seems a little bland on occasion. Hopefully she'll find her own voice, much like Tennant I can see her acting, whereas with Matt it felt very natural.

At the moment I'm getting a Davison vibe from her, and not necessarily in a good way and I do wonder if the Tardis team dynamic will swamp her a little. Show not tell at the end of the day, it's no good just having Graham and co tell us she's in charge, she has to show it.

I still like her, and it is early days, but I am starting to get a few concerns.

Yes! I forgot to mention this. The best part was how the camera didn't draw attention to it and no one mentioned it. The moment simply happened in the background. :lol:

Yes Ryan's shadow puppets were great.
 
Was OK, nice spider bits (the really big one reminded me of Eight Legged Freaks), and Bradley Walsh continues to steal the show with his rather touching arc. I spent most of it grumbling about the atmospheric oxygen percentage reqired for a spider to get that big, and how there was a time when the atmosphere sustained spiders bigger than coffee tables - and when they got into the old mine filled with toxic waste (shades of The Green Death) I really thought either the Doctor or the scientist girl was going to mention that as an explanation, and prove Chibnall had done his stuff. But they didn't, and so the end was a bit of an anticlimax as the big one was just suffocating (which accurate) without any real context as to why.

I also didn't expect one bullet to kill it - not at that scale. Loved the patterny ones swarming around, didn't think much to the obvious Trumpalike, and Jodie or the directors really need to vary the stance with the sonic a little- there are times for more sublelty, and increasidnly as she takes up that pose I feel she's doing a Gilderoy Lockhart.

So, kind of what I expect to call average this season, after a strong opening trio - and actually it feels like the strongest opening set for a long time, maybe since the first four episodes of Blake's 7 (which are surprisingly well tied together in a similar way. Kind of wish they'd kept the Hartnell style cliffhanger format from the first two episodes, though
 
Have to agree with you to a great extent. At the end of the day it's all very new and I'm sure she's bedding in as all Doctors have had to (with a few exceptions like Matt) but at the moment she seems a little bland on occasion. Hopefully she'll find her own voice, much like Tennant I can see her acting, whereas with Matt it felt very natural.
She's terribly bland.
 
Oh, yeah, and nice to hear them officially call themselves Team TARDIS (as they've been known since Eleven, Amy and Rory's days) Which also reminds me that all 13s "imagine me in a flat" stuff was so early Tennant I wonder if Chibbers forgot who he was writing for.

Especially given 11 did in fact live in a flat...
 
Jodie's Doctor is....charming. It's early days still, but so far that's the best I can say for her. I want to like her, I do....and I expect I will. Capaldi needed a season or so to bed in, so I think she'll be fine. But yet again while watching this episode I said out loud, "Stop being David Tennant! Be yourself!" But it's not entirely her fault. And as for her sonic stance, every time she does it I'm imagining what John Hurt's Doctor would say if he saw her do that. :lol:

As for the episode itself, it was solidly average. The Trump-alike was enjoyable until the end, when they went full-on stereotype of 'Merica!" I haven't rolled my eyes that hard in awhile.

Best part of the episode were the quiet moments with Graham, and Yas' family IMO.
 
it's no good just having Graham and co tell us she's in charge, she has to show it.
She needs a moment where she saves everyone. She hasn't had a heroic "Doctor" moment yet. Tennant had plenty. Smith had Prisoner Zero this planet is protected, the Pandorica speech, and Rings of Akhaten, etc. Capaldi didn't have his until Flatline. Hers is coming....has to be, or they risk making her look very average. They're making her the protective, awkward egghead type and that's fine if that's her main personality. But Graham has already called her "the boss." I want to see her BE "the Boss"
 
The episode was below average for Doctor Who. Too dark, and a little boring. I've seen worse, but I've seen better. Hopefully next week is better.
 
While one is tempted to think of “Planet of the Spiders” as the antecedent here, the Pertwee serial I’m more reminded of is “The Green Death,” in which the monsters were regular Earthly maggots mutated by toxic waste. It’s also interesting how the mildly educational flavor of the Hartnell era is back now, with a lot of fairly grounded discussion of spider biology.

So far the emphasis this season is on fairly mundane antagonists, Tim Shaw and the Stenza aside. A mean race coordinator, a pathetic bigot with a time machine, a corporate creep whose greed accidentally creates the crisis. It really is quite a change, and if anything, it’s maybe too great a departure. The Doctor deserves worthy antagonists.

Honestly, I'm concerned the show doesn't feel enough like Doctor Who anymore. People were comparing "Rosa" to Star Trek or Quantum Leap -- this one reminded me more of a Primeval episode.

Chris Noth’s character was annoying, but I liked the rest of the character stuff. I like how outgoing this Doctor is, like seeing Jade on the phone in the hallway and asking if everything was okay. She’s the diametric opposite of her aloof predecessor. And it was lovely the way Graham, Ryan, and Yaz chose to come with the Doctor. The bond they’ve formed is really nice.


Was kinda hoping the Doctor would be a little more put off by the spiders considering they're one of the odd, motley crew who have killed one of her iterations in the past.

Well, technically it wasn't the Metebelis III spiders that killed the Doctor, it was the radiation the Doctor exposed himself to in order to return the blue crystal he'd stolen. If anything, Three attributed his death to his own hubris in stealing the crystal. It was the price he had to pay to make amends. So I don't see the incident imbuing the Doctor with any lasting arachnophobia. Radiation phobia, perhaps, especially after it killed Ten too.


Yeah, I have to say that did bother me. I actually wished that they'd made a bigger point of not-Trump actively not heaving it be a mercy killing. Their plan did rather seem to be "let them suffocate to death." And I thought the scientist saying they deserved a natural death of forcing them into a tiny room and starving them to death was odd.

No, Jade's intent was to confine them in the panic room until steps could be taken to end their lives humanely, presumably using whatever euthanasia drugs or chemicals they use at her institute. The reason the Doctor objected to Robertson shooting the mother spider was because it was a slow, painful death rather than a humane, peaceful one. Also she just objects to gratuitous cruelty to the helpless.
 
Its funny, but in 2005 I remember a lot of concern on the interwebs regarding a has-been 90s pop singer going to be the best companion! Lol

I guess somethings never change ;)
People also flipped out ridiculously when Catherine Tate was cast, first as an one-off and then when she returned, and now...Donna is many people's favorite new Who companion.

So, yeah, some things never change. ;)

Back in 2005, I believe one of the conditions Davies made with the BBC was to be more Earth based for budgetry reasons (also why we get so many Victorian era episodes - the Beeb has the costumes and sets already in stock)
Ah, yeah, that's true. I had forgotten about that. Still, it was frustrating at the time and I certainly didn't know about those budgetary constraints then.

Something else I noticed in this episode, which I have not seen much before - the momma spider got so big that she could no longer breathe properly and was suffocating. Poor creature.
Yeah, I liked that touch as well. That's something that's rarely touched on in sci-fi. The Doctor's empathy for her nicely emphasized that moment.

Also, shouldn't the top score in the poll here be labelled "All Praise the Great One!"?
Damn! Another missed opportunity. Oh, well, I can't change it now.
 
I love Bradley but I'm getting a bit bored with the rest. 15 minutes and turned off. Maybe just too much of a reboot for me.
 
7/10. It was an enjoyable romp but not particularly memorable. The Doctor and Companions continue to be a great team. It was nice seeing Yaz's family. It was nice having the arachnid expert to help guide things a long. The resolution was a bit WTF? I get the big one suffocating. There's a reason that insects and arachnids don't grow that large in real life and it is due to respiration issues. But, what happened to all the "smaller" ones? Dealt with offscreen I guess with the potion that the Doctor mixed together. I know they were led to the safe room. What, just left to starve? Kind of strange and a bit cruel when you think about it.

Is the Trump analog going to be a recurring character? Seems like Chibnell is potentially setting up a number of recurring characters and species this season. Or, was he a one off? Hard to tell.
 
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The three of them deciding for each of their own reasons to continue traveling with The Doctor. But not only making these natural decisions, but also how The Doctor made it perfectly clear to them that traveling with her is not safe and there are no guarantees that she'll be able to bring them back. Looks like The Doctor has finally taken stock in the level of danger she has wrought onto her companions over the centuries.

I really liked that aspect too. Coming from a human research background, I saw that as them signing their informed consent for potential unknown dangers! It's about time the Doctor warned the companions in advance. I also like how these are just normal people who made the decision for normal reasons. No "special" companions here. :techman:
 
Honestly, I'm concerned the show doesn't feel enough like Doctor Who anymore. People were comparing "Rosa" to Star Trek or Quantum Leap -- this one reminded me more of a Primeval episode.

This one reminded me of a very weak Black Mirror episode. For a scary insect story, catch the BM story with the artificial bees!
 
This was the first real weak episode of the year. It got bogged down in exposition at the end (they never quite explained how the spiders got as big as they did), confusing editing and complete obnoxiousness with its political bent.

It also took The Doctor's pacifism to extremes. Was it really more compassionate to let that spider (which The Doctor put on par with any other living being) slowly choke to death instead of putting it out of its misery with a bullet to the head?

The saving grace (no pun intended) of this episode was the main characters and their interactions. The last sequence, particularly the "official" formation of Team Tardis was excellent.
 
This one reminded me of a very weak Black Mirror episode. For a scary insect story, catch the BM story with the artificial bees!
That's actually my favorite Black Mirror episode, although less so for the bees and more so for Kelly Macdonald and Faye Marsay (of "Last Christmas" fame).
 
(they never quite explained how the spiders got as big as they did)

Yes, they did. Jade's research institute was breeding longer-lived spiders, and it was pointed out repeatedly that spiders could keep growing as long as they lived. The contractors that disposed of the spider carcasses from the lab dumped them in the same landfill as all the toxic chemicals, and since they were buried under the hotel with no runoff, the chemicals grew more concentrated. The Doctor and Jade conjectured that one of Jade's spider carcasses must not have been as dead as they thought, and it survived and reproduced in the toxic waste, so the combination of their engineered genes and toxic mutation caused the runaway growth.


It also took The Doctor's pacifism to extremes. Was it really more compassionate to let that spider (which The Doctor put on par with any other living being) slowly choke to death instead of putting it out of its misery with a bullet to the head?

"A bullet to the head?" Think it through. Spiders' brains are very small, and the larger the spider, the smaller the proportional brain size. Robertson would've had to be a sniper-grade marksman and an expert in spider anatomy to have even a ghost of a chance of making an instant kill shot, and he was surely neither of those things. Contrary to the sanitized conceits of fiction, most gunshot wounds do not kill instantly. What Robertson inflicted was not a humane death, but a slow, painful one. All he did was make its final moments even more agonizing than they already were.
 
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