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And they didn't even get Robert Smith to appear.
Any chance of an X-Men 4? Ever?
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And they didn't even get Robert Smith to appear.
While I agree about Rogue, I disagree about the rest. X-Men movies need to embrace the fantasy! I want to see a world where things like Sentinels and aliens are believable. I really want to see a movie about the Dark Phoenix Saga done properly! I want to see the M'Kran Crystal and the Shi'ar and the battle on the moon! I want to see Apocalypse and time travelers! And, I dunno...Sauron? Maybe not Sauron.
Sinister & The Marauders!
Also disagree. Nolan only gets away with the "realistic" tone he does is because there's been no overt magic (yet) in his Bat-movies, and because Bats himself has no super-powers. X1-2 are as realistic as the X-franchise gets, imho.
Yes. Exactly. QFT.
No offense, but I was quite clear:
Gaith said:
Not sure about that... the Dark Phoenix saga, while interesting, wasn't enough to fill a movie on its own. They needed a parallel plot, and after the climax of X2, where
, it'd be entirely reasonable for baddies in the government to say "f*** it, we're gonna forcibly 'cure' the whole lot of them." That way, the team could defend against humans trying to cure them while at the same time taking on Phoenix.
X3's biggest mistakes were:
1. Allying Phoenix with Mags for most of the movie for no reason beyond plot convenience, which made her look comatose.
2. Being so stupid as to suggest that even after the X2 Cerebro attack, some ordinary humans would still be pro-mutant enough to publicly rally against even an optional cure. I mean, for Pete's sake. What idiot wrote those scenes?!
I'd most like for First Class to reboot the series entirely. But, so long as I'm dreaming and calling all the shots, I'd far rather see a Singer-produced remake of X3 than a continuation of it in X4.
Yup.
I think it was implied that Phoenix "allowed" herself to be allied with Magneto because the dark aspect of the Phoenix force was starting to take control and influencing her decisions. Jean wasn't in control of herself at all I don't think (I'll admit I've only seen this film once so I have forgotten the details) and the Phoenix was taking control and addicted to emotion. Magneto has a very powerful charismatic persona and possesses great power himself so I'm thinking the Phoenix force was attracted to him on that basis. Magneto also realized this from his previous dealings with Jean Grey and her erratic control over her powers (the reason for the flashback scene at the start of the film to set this up) and knew or thought he could manipulate her to his bidding. Made perfect sense but wasn't really explained.
Doesn't make it any less lame.
Didn't disagree about that. The entire film was lame.
Yeah I have the first two movies here at home. Chose not to get X3 because it left such a bad taste in my mouth, same deal with X-Men Origins: Wolverine (I have a burnt copy of that film that I've never seen yet lol) but see X3 at the library all the time on the shelf just beckoning me to check it out and watch it at home. I remember all the garbage we were forced to see and I walk by it.
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I only saw X3 in the theater once and don't really remember it being as bad as people make it out to be...X1 & X2 were great but maybe I need to see X3 again before having so much hate. 
I was dragged to see Wolverine despite being originally eager for it. That film along Spider-Man 3, X3, and Signs are among the few that I've been truly disappointed with after seeing them in theaters.
I only saw X3 in the theater once and don't really remember it being as bad as people make it out to be...X1 & X2 were great but maybe I need to see X3 again before having so much hate.
If it had just been its own movie and not based on anything, it probably would have been an okay action flick. But it completely butchered my favorite X-Men storyline (The Dark Phoenix Saga) and reduced most of the characters to nothing (literally).
^ Exactly why I hate it.
Yeah, not only did they butcher the Dark Phoenix Saga storyline, which also happens to be my favorite comic-book storyline, but they butchered Whedon's "Cure" storyline as well, which happens to be one of my favorite comic-book runs in recent years. So, the film automatically gets written off for me because of that. 
Seriously, though, X-Men: The Last Stand was just a disappointing film on almost every level. I think had X2 not raised the bar and really teased us with that cliffhanger then maybe our expectations -- or at least mine -- would have been considerably downsized but after what X2 promised it was just a big letdown.
In a perfect world I'd like to see Singer just ignore Ratner's film and do his own version of X3 but we know that's probably not going to happen. It would be almost like someone making a sequel to Superman II and ignoring Superman III or something. Oh, wait...
However, though, I do think an actual X4 could be very promising at least with Singer at the helm. You could prove that the Cure is actually the Legacy Virus which is why some mutants like Magneto had signs that their mutant powers were coming back to them. I think you could introduce Nathaniel Essex and the Marauders and introduce some interesting elements from the X-Men mythology. The real difficulty would be how to do an X-Men film without Xavier, Cyclops, Jean Grey and presumably Magneto. However I think if you were creative you could come up with ways of doing it.
Seriously, though, X-Men: The Last Stand was just a disappointing film on almost every level. I think had X2 not raised the bar and really teased us with that cliffhanger then maybe our expectations -- or at least mine -- would have been considerably downsized but after what X2 promised it was just a big letdown.
In a perfect world I'd like to see Singer just ignore Ratner's film and do his own version of X3 but we know that's probably not going to happen. It would be almost like someone making a sequel to Superman II and ignoring Superman III or something. Oh, wait...
However, though, I do think an actual X4 could be very promising at least with Singer at the helm. You could prove that the Cure is actually the Legacy Virus which is why some mutants like Magneto had signs that their mutant powers were coming back to them. I think you could introduce Nathaniel Essex and the Marauders and introduce some interesting elements from the X-Men mythology. The real difficulty would be how to do an X-Men film without Xavier, Cyclops, Jean Grey and presumably Magneto. However I think if you were creative you could come up with ways of doing it.
Yeah, I imagine 40+ years of stories just isn't enough to choose from.
You're right. They should be able to just conjure a story out of thin air. Good thinking!
Do we really WANT them to adapt any more beloved comic stories? Let 'em butcher their on ideas.
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