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Should the Sequel Trilogy have led to its own reset?

Is this a promising idea... or the MOST promising idea?!

  • The MOST promising!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • It's definitely got potential...

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Eh, it's strictly 50/50.

    Votes: 1 10.0%
  • Probably a bad idea, but maybe not the worst ever.

    Votes: 1 10.0%
  • It's the WORST idea ever!

    Votes: 8 80.0%

  • Total voters
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Time travel in Star Wars?

As I already observed, time travel was introduced to new canon Star Wars before the ST ended.


I could see Disney recasting the Big Three for a streaming series, movie, or special that takes place between Episodes 6 and 7...
Recasting Luke, Han and Leia?

In the long run, Disney recasting Luke, Leia, Han (again) is almost certainly inevitable. At some point, some executive will decide that the financial benefit potential from general audience curiosity will outweigh any risk to canon or dedicated fan opinion or whatever.
 
In the long run, Disney recasting Luke, Leia, Han (again) is almost certainly inevitable. At some point, some executive will decide that the financial benefit potential from general audience curiosity will outweigh any risk to canon or dedicated fan opinion or whatever.
And if that were to ever happen, the movie would bomb.
 
Alternative fan timelines are quite nice, I often conjure up several for fun (mine also involve time travel very often), so I appreciate you sharing yours. I think this one can be fascinating. Time travel has been a thing in Star Wars ever since Luke had a Force vision in the wampa cave on Hoth, and something not quite unlike what you suggest happened – and had to be repaired – in the Montis arc, so I do not see the innate opposition to time travel in general. Going all out on it like that does feel a bit un-Star Wars, and is more of a Star Trek idea, and if Star Wars, especially non-animated Star Wars, goes there, I'd imagine it would be very different – but we are trekkies here, and I do like to imagine what the Star Wars universe would look like if it were like Star Trek.

I particularly like imagining the killing Hitler scenario of Star Wars – numerous post-Luke Jedis would undoubtedly violate the rules, pay archaeologists visit forbidden sites that take them to the World Between Worlds seeking to go to Chancellor Valorum's term, or maybe young Ahsoka time, and kill Palpatine. One can almost find it weird that, on his path towards his corruption, Ben Solo didn't attempt something like that, something that went horribly wrong, and accelerated his descent to the dark side – but also had him accidentally end up after the Battle of Endor, for example.

Anyway, for doing it for real, I find several issues with the idea:
1. The problem with the sequel trilogy wasn't the lack of ideas, or story components, or how the old and new heroes interacted; maybe except the sheer lack of originality of the new threat – but you've kept or placeholdered that yourself (except you added “then they time-travelled”) – it was that the storytelling got off the rails, and that the storytellers buckled when the audience heckled them once. So putting that in it wouldn't make it better.
2. Star Wars has been much more conservative, at least in violating consistency and unleashing ideas, even one that exist in the universe, than Star Trek. Time travel is possible, but mysterious, unattainable, forbidden, mischievous, and shrouded. Hopping from place to place, with the protagonists participating, would be a bit off-beat for me. Not saying this cannot be incorporated to make it good, though, but uh, I'd like to tread conservatively here. I imagine if someone sought the World Between Worlds in an episode, they would fail.
3. Seriously, if you had one chance to time travel, you kill Hitler. Here, this means the destination is not after the battle of Endor, unless an accident. Conversely, a dark side character strikes the rebellion earlier on.
4. I think, in adding this bit, you didn't fix anything that soured the sequel trilogy, but in a way skipped all that that was good about it, anyway. Maybe it could have been incorporated to make the New Order more interesting, while keeping more of the other's characters' development, more or less the same? (Probably too trekkie still, but I'd like it)
 
Alternative fan timelines are quite nice, I often conjure up several for fun (mine also involve time travel very often), so I appreciate you sharing yours.

Thanks! :)


Star Wars has been much more conservative, at least in violating consistency and unleashing ideas, even one that exist in the universe, than Star Trek. Time travel is possible, but mysterious, unattainable, forbidden, mischievous, and shrouded. Hopping from place to place, with the protagonists participating, would be a bit off-beat for me. [...] Seriously, if you had one chance to time travel, you kill Hitler. Here, this means the destination is not after the battle of Endor, unless an accident.

Yeah, I was definitely thinking the time travel would be a one-time thing, and at the very least, going back to right after the Battle of Endor wouldn't have been the heroes' choice. Whether it would be the villain's deliberate destination, or partly accidental, I dunno.
 
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The YouTuber The Art of Storytelling has a balanced and thoughtful examination of the ST filmmakers' bonkers decision to never have Luke, Leia and Han share a scene together, one which takes into account Ford's probable request to be a one-and-done, Fisher's passing, and the understandable impulses to foreground a new generation of heroes, along with the inherent narrative benefit of keeping Luke off-screen and mysterious for most of the first Episode.

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This got me thinking... in an ideal world, a Sequel Trilogy would probably have been made in the early-to-mid-90s, when Hamill, Fisher, and Ford were still young enough to headline their own adventures, but sufficiently older than their last appearances to play new and interesting shades to their characters. The main trouble with this, however, would have been that Leia and Han's kid/kids would likely have been 5-10 years old, i.e., old enough to be noticeable, but too young to involve in adventures without being annoying.

The Disney purchase in the 2010s presented an opportunity to recast the classic trio to ~5 years after Endor, much like Heir to the Empire, before Leia and Han have any kids, but of course the temptation to bring back the old actors was too tempting to resist, which, along with the desire to give the old actors redemption arcs to perform, resulted in the OT rehash we got. Disney presumably counted on the new heroes being popular enough to power on in the post-sequel time frame, as shown by their setting Galaxy's Edge in that period, but the behind-the-scenes debacle of TRoS led to those characters being put on pause.

So, this gave me an idea: what if the Sequel Trilogy was able to give audiences new heroes, the classic trio actors, and a recast Luke, Leia, and Han? Suppose our core trio has been keeping up the good fight against a new threat all these years, but they've suffered more defeats than victories, and Luke in particular has taken too much battle damage to be a front-line warrior, and has therefore taken a mentorship role to the few remaining Jedi pupils. In this context, Rey and Finn could have an adventure of their own in Ep. 7, before linking up with the Classic Trio, who, without redemption arcs to undertake, would largely be manning the fort throughout the new trilogy.

The second movie would end with a big defeat, ESB-style, and in the third movie, the megalomaniac and quasi-insane Big Bad, not content with winning the present, would hatch an even more evil plan to harness the power of time travel to conquer all of galactic history. In the course of the climax, the Classic Trio and the remnants of the Rebellion go down fighting, and Rey and Finn manage to follow the villain into the mists of time... and somehow wind up on Endor, just as the post-Death Star victory celebration quiets down, where they meet a freshly recast Luke, Leia, Han, and Lando. "Who the Force are you?" Young Luke asks. "We're the ones who're going to help you save the galaxy," Rey tells him. Roll credits!

That way, everyone could win: Disney could reap the windfall of bringing Hamill, Fisher, and Ford back for one last hurrah, they could introduce a new Force-wielding heroine who wouldn't have the baggage of being Luke's sister or an active romantic involvement, and they could wrap up the ST in a satisfying way while also keeping the audience clamoring for more, as Rey joins forces with a Luke in his prime (let the shipping begin!). Yes, this would have meant making time travel a major part of the mythos, and yes, it would be more than a little reminiscent of the X-Men story arc Days of Future Past, but, hey, this is a franchise inspired by silly movie serials, after all, so, why not, I figure?

So, what do you all think of this idea? Promising? Nausea-inducing? Somewhere in between? :p


If they all still wanted to do it, which seemed unlikely at the time, but time can change all too...

Not often fond of recasting. Not against it either, but it does require something interesting told well or have a purpose other than fanservice. Heck, I'm a fan of both Darrins so it's not dislike for dislike's sake... The CGI of "Rogue One" onward has promise, if done sparingly and just enough to prevent the audience from clocking "It's a fake!!" over the CGI, but if the characters are relevant to the story then absolutely. "Rogue One" had an importance for them and its continuity gaffes with technology aren't as bad as some of the gaffes between the prequel trilogy and OG trology, as covered by so many youtube review/reaction sites already, hehe.

But it looks like the "one and done" should have been the one to fanservice it up just enough and then do what they'd wanted once the big fans got what they wanted all while the franchise making a new bunch of characters in fantastic stories. (It didn't help that the ST had a few too many instances of people calling themselves "resistance" (ST re: the First Order) instead of "rebels" (OT re: the OG empire).

TBH, part of me found it oddly refreshing and, indeed, daring, that the franchise wasn't going to do the same old routine, especially when TFA was already a bland rehash of "Episode IV" (which was also more or less the same rehash (another death star trope, aka "Franchise Original Sin" and "Planet Destroyer" tv tropes, which was already done for Episode VI (!!)), made up for and just enough by new characters with actual potential (more and above just shiny new Force effects that sure would have been super peachy keen if Luke had them too!).

Maybe that was the ST's real flaw: Different writers for each of the films with no strategy or continuity, even upending the seeds (e.g. TFA has Luke appearing, but right away in TLJ he throws the thing away for "subverting expectation" (which can work if it feels natural and fluid to the story narrative but here it felt forced, no pun intended and all things considered I also liked TLJ...))

The beats for each movie installment do feel there, but a shake-up would have been more interesting. Heck, I was hoping we'd see a Rey/Ren team-up at the time. The idea of the classic heroes kept sidelined or tangential allows the new characters to get the focus deserved, and they had some really well-cast actors in this.

Time travel doesn't come across as epic. Pretty cheesy, actually. We know they'd lose since nobody was going to change their own history, much less render it compelling.

Either way, it's a risk to do. But something about original plot strands rather than rehashes or gimmicks feels like they're trying harder to tell a deeper story. Not just "I've always known I'm your sister, even though we tongue-wrestled" in VI despite having no real clue (and for all we knew, Leia hearing Luke was just Luke's force telepathy and from a much smaller distance, especially as Luke was still trying to sort and refine his own abilities, for which maybe he didn't have as much Force power as proclaimed as that helps make the new abilities in the ST feel that much more genuine and germane as a result. Like a geologist, I can dig it. )
 
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