i take it you've come around on the rebooting the x-men saga thing eh?
Any chance of an X-Men 4? Ever?
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i take it you've come around on the rebooting the x-men saga thing eh?
Personally, I wish they were doing X-Men 4 rather than X-Men: First Class. There's always plenty of time for prequels later. And I think the cast would be cheaper to assemble than you'd think. It's not like Famke Janssen, James Marsden, or Shawn Ashmore are huge stars. Since Xavier is in a different body anyway, a recast probably isn't out of the question. Kelsey Grammer seems grateful to be playing anything that isn't Frasier. Halle Berry would be too expensive but the fans have been begging for her to be recast since day one. You would have to forget about Hugh Jackman, but I think it's high time we started seeing more X-Men movies without Wolverine. Leave him to his spin-offs. The one actor that probably would require them to whip out the big checkbook is Ian McKellen, but he's worth every penny.
BTW, are they still doing the Deadpool spin-off film?
I think that's a definite possibility, although I agree with the others who say that any outright contradictions between the First Class movies and the original 3 films won't occur until at least the 2nd First Class film. And even then, I think it depends upon who the producers are. I expect that, as long as Bryan Singer is involved, his 1st 2 X-Men films (and by extension, The Last Stand,) will remain at least vaguely canon. I would also be surprised if Lauren Shuler Donner allowed that to happen, but I can't say for sure.
Right now, I hope they're able to maintain some form of unified X-Men movie continuity. The problem with reboots often is that the reboot will just retread a lot of the same established territory. And I don't think the X-Men movies are at quite the saturation point yet. (For that matter, neither were the Spider-Man movies.) Keeping the movies in the same continuity will, in some ways, force the new movies to seek out new territory & new storylines and I want to see the franchise moving forward, not repeating itself. (Really, the only story that they totally botched was the Dark Phoenix saga, and I don't think that there's anyone currently at 20th Century Fox who could do it right if they did try to remake it.)
I'm really interested in this idea of X-Men: First Class as a period piece in the 1960s. I think we need more period action films. (I was pretty bummed that Casino Royale wasn't set in the 1950s/60s.)
It's not nearly as good as the Bryan Singer films and it totally botches the Dark Phoenix saga. However, I think it also has several elements to recommend it. While Brett Ratner doesn't do the quiet moments as well as Singer, he does have a flair for the epic. My favorite moments are when Phoenix kills Xavier and when Wolverine kills Phoenix. Plus, since it's a sequel, it felt free to be a little bolder with its storyline (as opposed to X-Men Origins: Wolverine, which just rehashed a bunch of plot points that we already knew from the X2 backstory).
The problem is that Phoenix came off as a weak, uninteresting character because she became Magneto's flunky. She would have come off a lot stronger if she had made Magneto her bitch, or at least been so powerful & unpredictable that no one could really ally with her at all. Phoenix is such a powerful character, she really demands her own movie. Instead, they tried to turn her into a subplot for the Cure storyline.
I doubt it. From what I've heard, Alan Cumming really REALLY hated the lengthy make-up process. I suspect that, even if they had something really interesting for Nightcrawler to do, they'd still have to recast.
Assuming his mutation process really was lethal. There's still the possibility that Senator Kelly didn't die. Rather, he mutated into a shapeshifter that couldn't, at the time, understand or control his transformation. He accidentally shapeshifted into salt water because that was what he had spent a lengthy amount of time in contact with. "Are you sure you saw what you saw?"
I don't think what you're thinking of would work. Comparing X-Men to Batman in this way doesn't quite mesh.
The reason why Nolan's "realistic" Batman movies work is because they are a reaction against the extreme stylization of the Tim Burton & Joel Schumacher movies. Gotham City goes from an eccentric metropolis filled with giant statues & neon lights to... Chicago basically.
OTOH, I think Singer's X-Men movies are about as reserved & "realistic" as an action movie about superpowered mutants could get. Notice they had to drastically tone down the Phoenix storyline. At no point do they ever go into space. They also replaced the colorful spandex costumes of the comic book with sleek black leather.
At this point, if they were to reboot the X-Men movies, to distinguish them from the old ones, they'd have to go the other way. The costumes would be much more flamboyant. There would be a lot more space travel & time travel. Etc.
BTW, are they still doing the Deadpool spin-off film?
I think that's a definite possibility, although I agree with the others who say that any outright contradictions between the First Class movies and the original 3 films won't occur until at least the 2nd First Class film. And even then, I think it depends upon who the producers are. I expect that, as long as Bryan Singer is involved, his 1st 2 X-Men films (and by extension, The Last Stand,) will remain at least vaguely canon. I would also be surprised if Lauren Shuler Donner allowed that to happen, but I can't say for sure.
Right now, I hope they're able to maintain some form of unified X-Men movie continuity. The problem with reboots often is that the reboot will just retread a lot of the same established territory. And I don't think the X-Men movies are at quite the saturation point yet. (For that matter, neither were the Spider-Man movies.) Keeping the movies in the same continuity will, in some ways, force the new movies to seek out new territory & new storylines and I want to see the franchise moving forward, not repeating itself. (Really, the only story that they totally botched was the Dark Phoenix saga, and I don't think that there's anyone currently at 20th Century Fox who could do it right if they did try to remake it.)
I'm really interested in this idea of X-Men: First Class as a period piece in the 1960s. I think we need more period action films. (I was pretty bummed that Casino Royale wasn't set in the 1950s/60s.)
I only saw X3 in the theater once and don't really remember it being as bad as people make it out to be...X1 & X2 were great but maybe I need to see X3 again before having so much hate.
It's not nearly as good as the Bryan Singer films and it totally botches the Dark Phoenix saga. However, I think it also has several elements to recommend it. While Brett Ratner doesn't do the quiet moments as well as Singer, he does have a flair for the epic. My favorite moments are when Phoenix kills Xavier and when Wolverine kills Phoenix. Plus, since it's a sequel, it felt free to be a little bolder with its storyline (as opposed to X-Men Origins: Wolverine, which just rehashed a bunch of plot points that we already knew from the X2 backstory).
The problem is that Phoenix came off as a weak, uninteresting character because she became Magneto's flunky. She would have come off a lot stronger if she had made Magneto her bitch, or at least been so powerful & unpredictable that no one could really ally with her at all. Phoenix is such a powerful character, she really demands her own movie. Instead, they tried to turn her into a subplot for the Cure storyline.
I doubt it. From what I've heard, Alan Cumming really REALLY hated the lengthy make-up process. I suspect that, even if they had something really interesting for Nightcrawler to do, they'd still have to recast.
Aye, but he didn't know his mutation process was lethal; he thought he'd only be killing one girl. Which is evil and bad, yes, but not quite as evil and bad as trying to kill billions.
Assuming his mutation process really was lethal. There's still the possibility that Senator Kelly didn't die. Rather, he mutated into a shapeshifter that couldn't, at the time, understand or control his transformation. He accidentally shapeshifted into salt water because that was what he had spent a lengthy amount of time in contact with. "Are you sure you saw what you saw?"
I don't think what you're thinking of would work. Comparing X-Men to Batman in this way doesn't quite mesh.
The reason why Nolan's "realistic" Batman movies work is because they are a reaction against the extreme stylization of the Tim Burton & Joel Schumacher movies. Gotham City goes from an eccentric metropolis filled with giant statues & neon lights to... Chicago basically.
OTOH, I think Singer's X-Men movies are about as reserved & "realistic" as an action movie about superpowered mutants could get. Notice they had to drastically tone down the Phoenix storyline. At no point do they ever go into space. They also replaced the colorful spandex costumes of the comic book with sleek black leather.
At this point, if they were to reboot the X-Men movies, to distinguish them from the old ones, they'd have to go the other way. The costumes would be much more flamboyant. There would be a lot more space travel & time travel. Etc.
Fox is very excited about the "Deadpool" film and Robert Rodriguez was rumored to be on their short list of directors. In the short interview that I posted in the First Class thread it's very clear that Laura Donner is excited about "Deadpool" and that's it is going to happen. They're most likely just waiting to find a director and for Ryan's busy schedule to clear. She stated that he's very dedicated about Deadpool and IS Wade Wilson.
No, I'd rather there was an X-Men 4. Failing that, I'd rather there was a spin-off (Generation X or something).
The reason they fast tracked First Class instead of X4 is because of Bryan Singer's sudden involvement and pitching his treatment. Remember that he was originally going to direct this but legal problems due to his commitment to Warner Bros prevented him from doing so. First Class as has been explained many times was originally going to be an adaption of the comic book until Singer came along with his treatment, Donner and Fox execs were so excited by having Bryan back that they fast tracked this new version of First Class and pushed aside the other X projects...which are still happening, except for Magneto. I suspect that after Singer has completed his contractual obligations on "Jack the Giant Killer" he will be returning to Fox to direct X4...although since he has a number of other projects on the board including an "Excalibur" remake and the remake of "Battlestar Galactica" this might be a while.
Making First Class a pointless exercise. What are they gonna do, recast again? Use old age make-up and prosthetics?
^ Don't understand what you're referring too.
You said that they're gonna make X-Men 4 after First Class. If they did, then what's the point in making First Class at all? They've gone to all this trouble of recasting but come X-Men 4 they're all gonna be way too young to be playing X-Men 4 versions of the characters so they either recast again or bring back the original actors.
X-Men: First Class as has been made clear is a prequel...they wouldn't need to recast any characters if they make a X4. They'd just use the characters established from X3 and carry on is my guess. I already explained the point of making First Class. If you didn't get that well...there's not much else I can add to that is there? It already seems like you've made up your mind about First Class anyways Shazam so I guess you won't be watching the film when it comes out.
I just hope that First Class captures the 'low-powered' vibe of X1. X3 in particular ramped up the powers and stunts a bit too much for my tastes. Phoenix was too passive and mute - she didn't seem to hunger for rapture and lacked the passion that made the comic version so dangerous and compelling. I think an entire movie focusing on her seduction by the Hellfire Club would have suited me just fine.
The Legacy Virus angle on the cure is an interesting choice for a Sinister plot but I'd still dearly love to see a Marauders' story. The fact that Arclight should appear again could be a tip to Sinister's cloning abilities. Plus losing a load of established X-men in a massive fight is an appealingly different way to change up the roster.
The Legacy Virus angle on the cure is an interesting choice for a Sinister plot but I'd still dearly love to see a Marauders' story. The fact that Arclight should appear again could be a tip to Sinister's cloning abilities. Plus losing a load of established X-men in a massive fight is an appealingly different way to change up the roster.
Have I?
I just think recasting the roles to make a prequel, and then throwing that cast out again to make X-Men 4 is insane. I've made no bones about the fact that I'd rather have an X-Men 4 than this unnecessary prequel but a good film is a good film, so you never know.
Since when has anything hollywood done sane ?
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I still haven't seen X-Men Orgins: Wolverine! Does that make me a bad person or smart person?
Smart yet ignorant.
Aside from Xavier & Magneto, I don't think any of the characters have been recast for X-Men: First Class. Instead, it's an all-new roster of mutants. True, that makes it a little bit difficult to incorporate any of the First Class actors into X-Men 4 because of the 50 year gap between the films. Assuming they have to recast any of the First Class characters that might happen to appear in X-Men 4, I think recasting is often the more economical option for studios when they make sequels. That way, they aren't locked into established actors that can make higher salary demands.
But it's possible that we'll end up seeing the films evolve on 2 (or 3 or 4) parallel tracks, with Bryan Singer directing X-Men 4 & possibly further sequels set in the early 21st century featuring established characters like Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, Iceman, Pyro, Angel, Beast, Rogue, Nightcrawler, Kitty Pryde, etc. Meanwhile, you've got the First Class movies set in the 1960s. (Then you've also got the Wolverine movies, which so far cover a period from about the mid-1980s until the 1st X-Men movie. Plus whatever they plan to do with the Deadpool movies.)
Or, perhaps some of the First Class characters will end up getting put into suspended animation (or be mutants that age slower, like Wolverine) and then wake up just in time for X-Men 4.
Note that this isn't the 1st time that a studio was planning to reboot their superhero franchise until Bryan Singer came in with a pitch to continue the established continuity.
(And I'm hoping I didn't just jinx the project by saying that.
)But then, I have a feeling that much of the future of the comic book movie genre will depend upon what happens with The Avengers. If it turns into a clusterfuck, I have a feeling it might scare Hollywood off the genre for a while (except for when it somes to some of the proven winners like Batman & Spider-Man). It will certainly have a major effect on the perceived viability of superhero team films, particularly X-Men.
I dunno. Superhero movies--including the X-Men ones--have been raking in so much money in recent years I find it hard to believe a single poorly performing movie would throw Hollywood off the whole genre. However, if The Avengers bombs it might kill Marvel Studio's enthusiasm for keeping its movies in the same continuity. That would be a shame since I love the idea.
I still haven't seen X-Men Orgins: Wolverine! Does that make me a bad person or smart person?
Are those mutually exclusive?
I still haven't seen X-Men Orgins: Wolverine! Does that make me a bad person or smart person?
When I saw it with my friends, we snuck liquor into the theater. That makes us both bad and smart people.
The latest IGN Movies podcast Keepin' it Reel has a discussion of the X-franchise whose parallels with our own speculation sometimes seems, well, uncanny. It's a fun listen!
http://movies.ign.com/articles/111/1116241p1.html
http://movies.ign.com/articles/111/1116241p1.html
Ian McKellen could probably give Patrick Stewart some advice on how to play that scene.
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