Altered Timeline: Which events will still happen?

[miraclefan]

^Hey, don't blame me! blame the TREK commecial that says ''forget everything you know" Also, I don't belive in this universe that ''Pike'' is going to be in his ''MOVEING,BEEPING'' iron-lung chair! I think he's going to die in this film, Or get severly injured. I just don't see the ''beeping'' chair to cut it in this generation.

 

[perigee]

I just don't see the ''beeping'' chair to cut it in this generation.

 

[miraclefan]

^OH! ha ha. You know what I mean! If people saw anybody in that ''chair'' (in the movie)they would ask, how come with ALL these differant aliens and advanced technology, the best they could do was give this poor guy a chair that goes *beep* couldn't they 'clone' him a new body, or put his brain in a cyborg body, or use advanced nano droids to repair his damaged body?

 

[perigee]

Agree 100% - Hawking alone blew that bit of drama out of the water. What I put up there is barely a joke: the most brilliant man on the planet is in the same shape right now. I don't see him sitting around publishing his next book in morse code. No matter what an alternate Pike goes through, he's sure as hell not going to be beeping.

 

[miraclefan]

^Well then, we both agree 100%.

 

[M'Sharak]

Altered Timeline: Which events will still happen?

All of them.

Plus, the Vogons destroy the Earth.

 

[Blackout]

Even if its not realistic, I like to think that things eventually get back on track. The farther ahead you go the more the same it is to the original timeline, with some minor changes.
By that thinking, I say that by the time of the original movies things are pretty much the same, maybe the ships look a bit different because of the technology jump in this movie, but the adventures stay the same.
TOS might be a little more affected. The ship looks different, the bridge is different. A couple adventures might not happen, a couple new ones take their place, for the most part it goes down the same way.

All in all I'm pretty much choosing to ignore the logical butterfly effect and go with the version that makes me happier.

 

[miraclefan]

Whatever makes you happy I say, I to like to think ''These are the voyages'' never happend!

 

[EJA]

Even if its not realistic, I like to think that things eventually get back on track. The farther ahead you go the more the same it is to the original timeline, with some minor changes.
By that thinking, I say that by the time of the original movies things are pretty much the same, maybe the ships look a bit different because of the technology jump in this movie, but the adventures stay the same.
TOS might be a little more affected. The ship looks different, the bridge is different. A couple adventures might not happen, a couple new ones take their place, for the most part it goes down the same way.

All in all I'm pretty much choosing to ignore the logical butterfly effect and go with the version that makes me happier.

Well spoken, Ensign

 

[The Academic]

No events in the original timeline are erased. The producers have made it perfectly clear, we have to watch all the original timeline up to the point this film starts.
Then we switch tracks to a new timeline in which things do play out differently but not at the cost of overwriting what came before.
Think of the timeline as a single railroad track, it splits into two at this film. The original keeps going where it was going all along but the new one loops back to the start of the line.
Two separate tracks now exist. One 47 years along in it's travels, the other (new one) at the beginning of its travels.

Bullseye!!!
As a rule of thumb (ignoring possible changes in the pre-existing timeline due to the events depicted in First Contact and the Temporal Cold War for now), I would say that everything that happened before Nero's destruction of the U.S.S. Kelvin remains unaffected, no matter when or where it happened... The Planet Killer is still roaming the galaxy, V'ger is still looking for his creator, the Whale Probe still wants to have a talk with the humpbacks, Khan and his genetically-enhanced supermen still lie frozen in the aimlessly-drifting S.S. Botany Bay.
After Nero's rampage in TOS' past, however, what can happen in the nuTrek universe is an absolutely clean slate. Perhaps some things happen the same way as they happened in TOS, perhaps some things happen differently, perhaps some things happen not at all. In addition, the Narada's appearance does not necessarily influence everything. She is probably like a stone thrown in a pond. At the point of impact she creates the biggest waves, yet, the further out the waves travel, the smaller they get and the more time they need to get there. Just as an example, quite possibly nuTrek's Delta Quadrant is completely unaffected by the events happening in Star Trek XI, but nuTrek's DS9, generations later, will probably look and work out completely different.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Even if its not realistic, I like to think that things eventually get back on track. The farther ahead you go the more the same it is to the original timeline, with some minor changes.
By that thinking, I say that by the time of the original movies things are pretty much the same, maybe the ships look a bit different because of the technology jump in this movie, but the adventures stay the same.
TOS might be a little more affected. The ship looks different, the bridge is different. A couple adventures might not happen, a couple new ones take their place, for the most part it goes down the same way.

All in all I'm pretty much choosing to ignore the logical butterfly effect and go with the version that makes me happier.

I agree. Even in the "Mirror Universe" some details were not that different that the "familiar" universe. Obviously many things WERE different (e.g., the whole "evil Federation" stuff), but look how much was the same. The same people (or their doppelgangers) all ended up as the crew of their respective Enterprises, and they all ended up beaming up from the Halkan planet at the same time.

Sure, that's unrealistic -- but it is still in fact 'Star Trek' no matter how unrealistic it may be.

 

[The Academic]

Even if its not realistic, I like to think that things eventually get back on track. The farther ahead you go the more the same it is to the original timeline, with some minor changes.
By that thinking, I say that by the time of the original movies things are pretty much the same, maybe the ships look a bit different because of the technology jump in this movie, but the adventures stay the same.
TOS might be a little more affected. The ship looks different, the bridge is different. A couple adventures might not happen, a couple new ones take their place, for the most part it goes down the same way.

All in all I'm pretty much choosing to ignore the logical butterfly effect and go with the version that makes me happier.

I agree. Even in the "Mirror Universe" some details were not that different that the "familiar" universe. Obviously many things WERE different (e.g., the whole "evil Federation" stuff), but look how much was the same. The same people (or their doppelgangers) all ended up as the crew of their respective Enterprises, and they all ended up beaming up from the Halkan planet at the same time.

Sure, that's unrealistic -- but it is still in fact 'Star Trek' no matter how unrealistic it may be.

I see your point, but, honestly, isn't that a little bit boring?
The timline that we all know and love - ENT(?)/TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY, including their respective mirror universe - existed/ exists/will continue to exist in what we might call the 'prime timeline/quantum reality'. A new timeline/quantum reality was created by J.J. Abrams (extra-universal)/Nero's temporal incursion (intra-universal) and can now branch off into events we cannot even imagine. A return to the prime timeline/quantum reality - within nuTrek - is therefore neither necessary nor desirable, at least in my point of view.
As a small appendix, I have to add that I tend to believe in quantum physics, where different realities co-exist at the same time, rather than in a single-timeline universe, where a single change in the past erases the present as we know it.

 

[Procutus]

Whatever makes you happy I say, I to like to think ''These are the voyages'' never happend!

Amen to that!

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

Has it been confirmed that the events of Enterprise preceding this movie are still in the same timeline? If so, that would mean First Contact also happened and thus many of the same events.

 

[Procutus]

Has it been confirmed that the events of Enterprise preceding this movie are still in the same timeline? If so, that would mean First Contact also happened and thus many of the same events.

Interesting point, really, because if Nero's interference does have long-range effects extending back into the 24th century, then the Borg incursion back to 2063 might not happen at all. Or at least, the events where the Enterprise-E follows it back.

 

[The Academic]

Interesting point, really, because if Nero's interference does have long-range effects extending back into the 24th century, then the Borg incursion back to 2063 might not happen at all. Or at least, the events where the Enterprise-E follows it back.

Nero's interference probably has extreme long-range effects on the future of the nuTrek quantum reality he unknowingly (?) created, while the timeline he left, our well-known Star Trek timeline, remains unaffected...
Well, at least that's how I interpret J.J. Abrams and Robert Orci's statements in the light of quantum physics.

 

[Procutus]

Interesting point, really, because if Nero's interference does have long-range effects extending back into the 24th century, then the Borg incursion back to 2063 might not happen at all. Or at least, the events where the Enterprise-E follows it back.

Nero's interference probably has extreme long-range effects on the future of the nuTrek quantum reality he unknowingly (?) created, while the timeline he left, our well-known Star Trek timeline, remains unaffected...
Well, at least that's how I interpret J.J. Abrams and Robert Orci's statements in the light of quantum physics.

So in 'City on the Edge of Forever', why did the Guardian act as if there was only one timeline, and that the past had been altered, in effect, 'erasing' the events that occured after McCoy's interference? When does a trip to the past become an effect of quantum physics, creating a new branch of reality while the original continues to exist... Somewhere?

 

[pookha]

Altered Timeline: Which events will still happen?

All of them.

Plus, the Vogons destroy the Earth.

dont forget the towel

 

[pookha]

Interesting point, really, because if Nero's interference does have long-range effects extending back into the 24th century, then the Borg incursion back to 2063 might not happen at all. Or at least, the events where the Enterprise-E follows it back.

Nero's interference probably has extreme long-range effects on the future of the nuTrek quantum reality he unknowingly (?) created, while the timeline he left, our well-known Star Trek timeline, remains unaffected...
Well, at least that's how I interpret J.J. Abrams and Robert Orci's statements in the light of quantum physics.

So in 'City on the Edge of Forever', why did the Guardian act as if there was only one timeline, and that the past had been altered, in effect, 'erasing' the events that occured after McCoy's interference? When does a trip to the past become an effect of quantum physics, creating a new branch of reality while the original continues to exist... Somewhere?

frankly to me it seemed just how you did time travel affected things like how much you could change and how easily.

go look at assignment earth as opposed to city.

who knows maybe the guardian is so powerful that it effects changes across several levels.

any way THEIR PRIME one in city changed and as the guardian said if kirk and then wanted theirs back they would have to fix it.

some other time were bones didnt inject himself wouldnt even have bought about the events in the first place.

 

[miraclefan]

^Time travel (like stupid people) makes my BRAIN sad!