Altered Timeline: Which events will still happen?
- Thread starter Procutus
- Start date
Everything I liked still happened on the DVDs!
And DVDs are forever.
...Or so they say.
...Or so they say.
I'm still of the opinion that some events from the original timeline NEED to happen in the new one as well in order for it to BE Star Trek. What made the original characters so endearing wasn't just that they were there, it was what they experienced in their lives. Kirk being forced to kill his friend to save the universe, being set on the path to peace with the Klingons by the Organians, the crew seeing their dark reflections in the mirror universe, Spock's heroic sacrifice to stop Khan and his resurrection, the tragic death of David Marcus...All this IS Star Trek.
It seems that the Guardian of Forever plays in a completely different league... It is, apparently, either a sentient multi-dimensional/extra-dimensional being itself or the relic of a species of highly-advanced multi-dimensional/extra-dimensional beings. Whatever it is, the extent of its knowledge or its motivations are hardly understandable to humans, nor are its actual duties or activities (according to memory-alpha.org, 'the Guardian explained that it is 'its own beginning and its own ending''). We can assume, however, that it is a real Guardian, keeping watch over the delicate balance of a multitude of different timelines/realities. To accomplish that, for example, it helped Kirk and Spock in TCOTEOF to repair a damage in a certain timeline it itself had inadvertently caused by letting a mentally-disturbed McCoy pass though its own portal.
Each and every time. However, our vision as three-dimensional linear beings is extremely limited. We can only experience our own three-dimensional linear existence. See Schrödinger's cat...
All this IS Star Trek, indeed, but also so much more*. Nothing happens before it happens, that is, before you saw all these things you listed, you didn't even know that these events would actually shape the characters you learned to love. Perhaps we should all realize that the nuTrek Kirk is not exactly the same person as the TOS Kirk. He probably has a different way to go, which does not mean that the different adventures that will follow will make him less endearing. Benjamin Sisko was not James Kirk. They had not the same adventures. Yet, both became a favourite of the Star Trek fans.
* Just out of fan-to-fan curiosity, what exactly IS Star Trek that some things MUST happen for you for it to BE Star Trek? I'm sure that it's something different to everybody here...
Last edited:
Well, apart from the events I mentioned in my previous post, just about everything in the TOS movies (with the possible exception of STV). That was where I first encountered and fell in love with Star Trek many years ago.
I can understand what you mean about Ben Sisko, but his adventures didn't write over those of Kirk; they happily coexisted.
But that's the beauty of it all!
The adventures of nuTrek Kirk don't overwrite the adventures of TOS Kirk. They happily coexist as well - in different timelines/quantum realities.
However, I think that this point has already been made dozens of times... or at least attempted to be made dozens of times. Before people don't start to understand and accept this point, we are walking around in circles.
Say, Nero creates this new timeline during the time of Kirks youth or birth. Wouldn't that mean ENT will be the only show that's actually canon in this new timeline?
Oh, the irony.
In the new timeline? Absolutely!
Oh, the irony.
Yep! Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
That's JJ's secret plan to reveal the epic geekiness of the fandom and make a fool of all real Trek fans.
The following 50 years will be spent debating whether this was a reboot or not.
The following 50 years will be spent debating whether this was a reboot or not.
No, no, no...
The real crux is that it's probably almost unbearable for all the self-proclaimed and more than self-righteous Guardians of the Star Trek Grail (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!) that they have been out-geeked by the geekiest geek of them all...
P.S.
The more I think about it, the more I'm in real doubt what actually constitutes the so-called 'real Star Trek fans'...
Last edited:
I've stated as much elsewhere. Hawking's ability to speak mechanically today means the 1960's version of Pike's chair is already obsolete-- even by today's standards. It also highlights the need for a revamping of Star Trek so that it appeals to an audience living in the 21st century.
The "canon" of Trek Time Travel stories has always been; the orignal, prime timelime must always be preserved as much as possible.
Completely overwriting TOS to the point it is unrecognizably would not be faithful to that now would it? It goes against the producers claim this film fits within canon. (see above)
Starting a new separate timeline using Quantum Mechanics, (which btw is a real Science, not just some made up word with no meanings) does fit established canon in that the original timeline is preserved and I maintain, until proven otherwise by the Film, where they went with this.
Why are some of you are so hell-bent to see the original timeline destroyed... just to piss off and have something to lord over anyone who cares about that, is beyond me.
Completely overwriting TOS to the point it is unrecognizably would not be faithful to that now would it? It goes against the producers claim this film fits within canon. (see above)
Starting a new separate timeline using Quantum Mechanics, (which btw is a real Science, not just some made up word with no meanings) does fit established canon in that the original timeline is preserved and I maintain, until proven otherwise by the Film, where they went with this.
Why are some of you are so hell-bent to see the original timeline destroyed... just to piss off and have something to lord over anyone who cares about that, is beyond me.
I have to admit, you're right there. One good thing about all this is that it could purge the TOS era of some of its more embarressing elements (as long as it doesn't mangle the original too much).
Destroyed? Oh man, you sure lost me there. This is just ridiculous. Nothing is going to be destroyed.
Oh, why do I even bother anymore?
The original timeline is preserved on DVDs. I'll just be glad for folks to stop talking about it as if either of these "timelines" actually exists and could therefore somehow be extinguished by the events of a movie or TV episode.
It is a difference which makes no difference, period.
*points accusingly*
You are not of the Body!
You are not of the Body!
Similar threads
