unless the damage done to pike might keep a meld from working.
and consider that spock himself described the meld as being potentially very dangerous since it actually affects the physical make up of the brain.
he might not have wanted to risk it.
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unless the damage done to pike might keep a meld from working.
and consider that spock himself described the meld as being potentially very dangerous since it actually affects the physical make up of the brain.
he might not have wanted to risk it.
You'll prolly see me as some whiny trekboy but I absolutely abhore the idea of a new alternate universe timeline. It may make sense on a quantum theory scale, but where were all these alternate timeline universes when other temporal incursions happened? Why isn't there an alternate verse for first contact? for star trek IV? for future's end?
Now all of a sudden we have to believe the original timeline branches of into another universe? If you have
I'm not sure I can enjoy this movie knowing it will overwrite basically every DVD I have and a show I have known and watched for over 24 years. they might say it's another timeline, but I find that extremely hard to believe, especially giving other star trek outings featuring time travel.
While I'm intruiged to see the movie, and wil probably like it, see star trek on this scale, the FX, I wonder if it's worth it, if it basically erases the entire original show just so some people who don't like star trek in the first place want to go see it cause ILM got some extra bucks.
I haven't seen the movie yet, and will retain my definitive conclusion untill I saw it, but I fear for it.
am I the only one who sees it this way?
Now all of a sudden we have to believe the original timeline branches of into another universe? If you have
[Keep the spoilers in the spoiler discussion thread, please. - M']
I'm not sure I can enjoy this movie knowing it will overwrite basically every DVD I have and a show I have known and watched for over 24 years. they might say it's another timeline, but I find that extremely hard to believe, especially giving other star trek outings featuring time travel.
While I'm intruiged to see the movie, and wil probably like it, see star trek on this scale, the FX, I wonder if it's worth it, if it basically erases the entire original show just so some people who don't like star trek in the first place want to go see it cause ILM got some extra bucks.
I haven't seen the movie yet, and will retain my definitive conclusion untill I saw it, but I fear for it.
am I the only one who sees it this way?
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Try burying them real deep. That way they might escape the Mass Planetary Trek DVD\VHS Destruction of May 2009
I'm sorry but I will never take such comments seriously.
There's a new Trek movie coming out. All my dvd's will still function after May comes and I will be perfectly capable of enjoying both the old Trek and hopefully the new one whenever I want.
Try burring them real deep. That way they might escape the Mass Planetary Trek DVD\VHS Destruction of May 2009
First star trek has to become a mass religion as depicted in futurama, before it will become banned
have you been to the Christine Chapel lately?
First star trek has to become a mass religion as depicted in futurama, before it will become bannedTry burring them real deep. That way they might escape the Mass Planetary Trek DVD\VHS Destruction of May 2009
They excommunicated me long ago.
I stopped being obsessed enough they said.
It's not like i'm obsessed with trek. I just hate it when they start altering things which affects the overall story.
Kinda like aliens 2 & 3. You hope the entire second movie for people to make it, you follow their story, you get into the characters. Only to have them offed the first minute in the 3rd movie cause they wanted to start anew and the writers don't know what to do with it.
Because that's how Space/Time was understood by Harlan Ellison and the writers who butchered his story in 1967.
It wasn't considered that letting Edith Keeler live would destroy the Prime Timeline where the Allies win the war, but simply create an additional, parallel timeline where the Axis either wins the war or creates a condition where the Mirror Universe and the Terran Empire comes about.
Look at it as Orci has said it and as is evident by the Countdown tie in comics:
"This movie is in a unique situation in that it is both a prequel but a sequel. All of Trek that preceded this movie is necessary within canon for this movie to have happened"
Then what's the point of travelling back in time anyway to prevent this? if it has no effect on the original timeline. If I were to go back in time and start to slaughter every great man (and woman) in human history. you all don't need to worry, you're original timeline will go on and I would have zero effect on it, while I can happily whisk of into an alternate timeline where I'm supreme ruler of the world.
With that notion, kirk could have just walked away with keeler and let the nazi's do their thing. it's not like the federation was in any danger.
Say, Nero creates this new timeline during the time of Kirks youth or birth. Wouldn't that mean ENT will be the only show that's actually canon in this new timeline?
Oh, the irony.
Yes. Once the Narada destroyed the Kelvin in the 2230's, logic must dictate that ENT is the only Canon show in the Abramsverse.
Hoshi Sato, meet Empress Hoshi Sato I.
No other Trek Product other than ENT and ST: TFB are Canon in the Abramsverse (with the possible exception of First Contact and any time travel ep where the crew of either the TOS Enterprise, the Galaxy Class ship, or the Voyager, travel back to 20th Century Earth).
Anything after the attack on the Kelvin is NuTrek and is grounds for Slash Fiction.
You're being a fanboy. Stop it. Writers need to get paid.
and who do you think pays those writers
the fanboys
besides I'm entitled to my opinion, no?
Look i'm sorry of this comes of whiny or preachy or harsh or something like that.
But I like Star trek for a long time now, and toying around with continuity is never a good thing.
From it's beginnings ENT was clearly intended as a sequel to First Contact, not a prequel to TOS. For me, that was the only thing that made sense given the blatant disregard it exhibited for established TOS canon.
It was the first time a switch to an AU was intended as semi-permanent. (INS & NEM occur in the Prime Universe)
We all should have seen this as truth given our being prepared by little hints such as existence of the Mirror Universe and TNG episode Parallels. I suppose most were too distracted with bitching and making message board power plays to understand what was really going on in Trek.
Star Trek was out nerding the nerds by waving new, complex, realistic, scientific theorem right under their noses but again, the bitching & power-playing took precedence over logical thought. (ENT writing is not excused, it could have been better executed.)
Now here we are again, Star Trek is using the most modern science available to take us were we've never gone before in an attempt to revitalize our favorite franchise and some aren't getting it, preferring instead to continue the bitching/power-playing rather than enjoying the good science fiction we're being given. [/rant]
It was the first time a switch to an AU was intended as semi-permanent. (INS & NEM occur in the Prime Universe)
We all should have seen this as truth given our being prepared by little hints such as existence of the Mirror Universe and TNG episode Parallels. I suppose most were too distracted with bitching and making message board power plays to understand what was really going on in Trek.
Star Trek was out nerding the nerds by waving new, complex, realistic, scientific theorem right under their noses but again, the bitching & power-playing took precedence over logical thought. (ENT writing is not excused, it could have been better executed.)
Now here we are again, Star Trek is using the most modern science available to take us were we've never gone before in an attempt to revitalize our favorite franchise and some aren't getting it, preferring instead to continue the bitching/power-playing rather than enjoying the good science fiction we're being given. [/rant]
Once again, you are spot on, my friend...
The crux, however, is that - once again, as well - only the ones sharing your point-of-view nod in agreement, while the unconvincables remain unconvinced and will bring up the same pointless arguments later in this thread or in another one...
Discussion is futile!
Where exactly am I powerplaying?
I'm just trying to defend my point.
is it me, or does everyone have to nod in agreement to the greatness that is Star trek XI?
I'm not against this movie, chances are I'll love it. But I just don't like how it'll fit in the whole star trek universe.
However, every side can only defend its point to a certain degree. When everything has been said in every possible way a hundred times over and there is still no chance to reach an agreement, a truce, a compromise, whatever, then a continuation of the debate is nothing but an attempt to stir up trouble.
Like I said: Discussion is futile!
I like made 5 posts .
But fine, let's just agree to both see the movie and take it from there
If it does what I think it's going to do, I'll prolly ignore the whole thing anyway and slap a rational excuse to it.
. But fine, let's just agree to both see the movie and take it from there
If it does what I think it's going to do, I'll prolly ignore the whole thing anyway and slap a rational excuse to it.
[...] let's just agree to both see the movie and take it from there.
That's the kind of medication everybody on TrekBBS should take...
I like made 5 posts.
It was not in any way pointed at you.
You just had the misfortune to be the last poster after I had finished spending almost an hour re-reading this sorry excuse of a thread which started so interesting (and even relatively on topic) and ended up being the umpteenth re-run of the same inane peeing contest I already had to shake my head over in disbelief when I read it the first time, ages ago...
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