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The 1987 1st edition rules for WEG's Star Wars RPG certainly leaves one with that impression.
But then so does Lucas's movies if one is paying attention. Honestly I think some people just have an inordinate amount of difficultly parsing what the phrase "all living things" actually means.
But, it isn't limited to those groups. Those are only the groups who use it actively.
Seems to be so, yes.
It's more like people have difficulty understanding the significance of the phrase "that boy is our last hope".
A paramecium using the Force would definitely be something.
So, Luke being the last hope (except he isn't) means "no one but Jedi can use the Force."
This seems to be ignoring an awful lot of context to make a rather odd point.
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Don't forget the Sith, Dark Jedi, witches, the Jensaarai, the Fallanassi, et cetera.
But how utterly ridiculous does the claim that Luke and Leia are the last hope become, in the event that any random asshole can be trained to swing a lightsaber and use the Force at a Jedi level?
Again, ignoring context. Obi-wan is very clear. "The Emperor knew, as I did, if Anakin was to have any offspring they would be a threat to him." They are specifically a threat to the Emperor, not just because "oh, you can swing a lightsaber."Don't forget the Sith, Dark Jedi, witches, the Jensaarai, the Fallanassi, et cetera.
But how utterly ridiculous does the claim that Luke and Leia are the last hope become, in the event that any random asshole can be trained to swing a lightsaber and use the Force at a Jedi level?
This is missing the forest for the trees.
We also learn, from later context, that the Jedi are looking for a specific person, otherwise they wouldn't have waited 20 years.
But why would Anakin offspring be a threat to him? Because they're related to Anakin? Or because they are living things, in which case literally every living thing in the galaxy is equally a threat to him and the statement becomes pointless?
But why are they waiting on a specific person? What's the difference? Why wait? Why not train up the nearest available random person as soon as possible?
I feel like this is deliberately missing the point.
Well, retroactively, the prophecy.
But, even if everyone has access to the Force, not everyone will have the same abilities. Everyone can learn how to play basketball but not everyone is Lebron James, to use a very poor analogy.
I'm imagining Palpatine accidentally stumbling into a petting zoo and totally freaking out. "GAAH!!! Living things! Save me Marka Ragnos I'm SCURRED"
Points for hyperbole and additional points for proving my point that this is deliberately missing the point.
Among other things, like there not being Jedi schools or Jedi textbooks. I wonder if that aged well.
Magnetism flows through me but it don't make me Magneto.
There may be a massive number of Jedi and non-Jedi Force users, but there are only a few that can break through Darth Vader's emotional armor to get to Anakin Skywalker. While Obi-wan and Ahsoka managed to break his actual armor, they didn't fully break through the emotional baggage that is Anakin Skywalker. Padme would have been one of the few who could have done so had Anakin not been so deep on Mustafar when Obi-wan appeared. Yoda might have been able to get through to young Skywalker, but the old Jedi was not good at instructing those feeling Anakin had to an enlightened purpose.
And just killing Darth Vader does not solve the problem. Palpatine always has backup plans. Anakin turning on him was not part of the plan, but Palpatine still had a backup plan. That delayed Palpartine's death, but still resulted in his death once he announced himself to the Galaxy again, because the Galaxy was tired of his brand of crap, so once they had a route to him, they ALL came to kill him.
And just killing Darth Vader does not solve the problem. Palpatine always has backup plans. Anakin turning on him was not part of the plan, but Palpatine still had a backup plan. That delayed Palpartine's death, but still resulted in his death once he announced himself to the Galaxy again, because the Galaxy was tired of his brand of crap, so once they had a route to him, they ALL came to kill him.
The way I understand it with people Jedi and people like them is that's it's not that they are the only ones who can use The Force, it's that they are the strongest and the best.
Just look at Sabine vs Luke, Sabine could barely move a mug for ages, but within days or hours of learning The Force he was a thing, he guiding misses with it.
And when the Jedi were out picking up kids who were potential Jedi, it wasn't that they were the only who could use The Force, it was that they were exceptionally strong in it.
Just look at Sabine vs Luke, Sabine could barely move a mug for ages, but within days or hours of learning The Force he was a thing, he guiding misses with it.
And when the Jedi were out picking up kids who were potential Jedi, it wasn't that they were the only who could use The Force, it was that they were exceptionally strong in it.
Some Force users are good at some things but not all things. Sabine seems to be good at stuff when she believes she can do it and doesn't think about it. Luke is good at things once he knows about them and stops thinking it is impossible. Ray gets good at things when she learns about them, since she already believes.
The latest episode of Ty Franck & Wes Chatham's podcast covers Wes's experience as Enoch on 'Ahsoka', as well as Ty's much less enjoyable experience writing a (never published) Star Wars novel for pre-Disney LF publishing.
Interesting insights on both counts. Everything Ty says about the state of the publishing side at that time makes a lot of the more baffling creative decisions suddenly make a lot more sense. "Too many cooks in the kitchen" sounds like an understatement, and the royalty situation sounds diabolical.
As for Wes's side of things; it seems to pretty much in line with what other cast member have said (even adjusting for the usual level of PR BS) that it was a very friendly set to work on and nothing but praise for Filloni.
I'd argue that not even Padme could have gotten though to him, had she survived to this point. She'd still just be something he'd want to posses again.
The advantage Luke has over Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, and Padme is that he has that same level of emotional connection to Anakin as they do, but none of the history and baggage. Vader maye not hate her the way he hates Obi-Wan, or feel a detached coldness as he seems to with Ahsoka, but she would still inspire his very worst impulses, making any such attempt counterproductive.
As a side note (thanks to the switched at birth thread I've been giving this some thought) I'd also add that if circumstances were different; Leia could have gotten though to him too. Had she been that one trained by Yoda, discovered and fixated on by Vader, and brought before the Emperor; I think she would also have cast aside her lightsaber as Luke did, as that's the crucial element to all of this. It's not just about an emotional connection, but it's also that selfless act of a Jedi to inspire that last fragment of a flickering ember that's still Anakin Skywalker to return. To see the once and future Jedi reflected in the eyes of his child.
Interesting insights on both counts. Everything Ty says about the state of the publishing side at that time makes a lot of the more baffling creative decisions suddenly make a lot more sense. "Too many cooks in the kitchen" sounds like an understatement, and the royalty situation sounds diabolical.
As for Wes's side of things; it seems to pretty much in line with what other cast member have said (even adjusting for the usual level of PR BS) that it was a very friendly set to work on and nothing but praise for Filloni.
I'd argue that not even Padme could have gotten though to him, had she survived to this point. She'd still just be something he'd want to posses again.
The advantage Luke has over Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, and Padme is that he has that same level of emotional connection to Anakin as they do, but none of the history and baggage. Vader maye not hate her the way he hates Obi-Wan, or feel a detached coldness as he seems to with Ahsoka, but she would still inspire his very worst impulses, making any such attempt counterproductive.
As a side note (thanks to the switched at birth thread I've been giving this some thought) I'd also add that if circumstances were different; Leia could have gotten though to him too. Had she been that one trained by Yoda, discovered and fixated on by Vader, and brought before the Emperor; I think she would also have cast aside her lightsaber as Luke did, as that's the crucial element to all of this. It's not just about an emotional connection, but it's also that selfless act of a Jedi to inspire that last fragment of a flickering ember that's still Anakin Skywalker to return. To see the once and future Jedi reflected in the eyes of his child.
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It was published, he was just saying that their original premise was rejected. As Ty mentions, it has the dubious distinction of being the last EU novel released (if only they'd known, maybe they could've gotten away with the genocidal droid terrorists idea).
I've seen similar discussions over in TrekLit from the authors talking about the tie-in situation, though their experience was a little different. They were alway entitled to royalties, but at a smaller percentage, since the studio owning the parent property always took a cut, so as Ty said, there was a low chance of actually earning out your advance (IIRC, they've said the advances are generally a bit bigger than they would be for an equivalent original novel to make up for the loss of the eventual passive income). It's not all bad, there are benefits, though ones that don't necessarily apply when you're already a bestselling author with an original IP that's being exploited with a television adaptation, tabletop boardgame, video game, and other merchandise and spin-offs (there's a built-in audience for tie-ins so its easier to begin developing a reputation that can boost the profile of your other books, and there's the prospect of regular work, or as regular as it gets in fiction-writing).
I'm not surprised if things were worse for Star Wars novelists, though. This the same franchise (albeit post-Disney) that argued that a corporate takeover meant that, while they could continue publish novels commissioned before the merger, they no longer had to pay the authors royalties for them.
Yeah, I clearly misunderstood that. Mostly though because I don't think I've ever seen or heard of that book, and for some reason I'd gotten it into my head somewhere that the 'Kenobi' novel was the last one under the wire (which looking at the dates now, isn't even close.)
As for the publishing situation; I'd be curious to know what the situation is now given how they seem to stick to the same group of authors over and over, and have been treating the High Republic initiative almost like a TV show with a writer's room. Maybe the incentive for those authors now isn't higher royalties, but the chance of significantly more multi-book deals. Also since they instituted the Story Group, I feel like they've gotten a better handle on managing the creative side so it's not quite as restrictive.
If it's anything like the other Star Wars shows, it's going to be a month or two after the finale. Which is really annoying, especially considering Marvel: Assembled episodes usually (but not always) come out one or two weeks after the finales.
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