It's possible, depending on how much time there is between seasons and how long Jemma has been missing, that he is recruited as a doctor/medic rather than an enhanced.
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It's possible, depending on how much time there is between seasons and how long Jemma has been missing, that he is recruited as a doctor/medic rather than an enhanced.
This show doesn't do "fixed". It does changes and repercussions. Any status quo we've ever had has been fairly short lived.
Ward won't be getting "fixed", neither will Mike, Fitz or Skye. They're permanently changed by their experiences and if something significant happens to Simmons (and I can't see how it wouldn't be significant) there's no going back to normal. Indeed, as I said earlier, she's already undergone a subtle but significant change in her outlook and sense of morality and it's safe to say there won't be a magical fix for that either.
Even with Coulson; the writing may have stopped but the Kree influence is still in his system and could rear it's head again in some form or another if given the proper stimuli.
Despite her abilities, Jiaying couldn't be fixed either. The mental scars of her experience ran too deep and it twisted her into a different person. I wouldn't even say Cal was "fixed" so much as he was remade almost from the ground up. No doubt the TAHITI protocol didn't reverse the "tinkering" he'd done to his biology, but without his serum and the motivation to use it, it's merely dormant.
NGO, heavily Stark-funded. But definitely NGO.
This, in the nutshell. Absolutely right.
Ward's still dull. Deathly dull. Duller than that even. There's nothing short of killing him that will change that.
Which is to it's great benefit.
I may not have liked it so far, but I am kind of looking forward to season three...
I like to think he got somewhat interesting for about 5 minutes there. At least up until he started solely creeping on Skye. Then I lost interest again and haven't really managed to find it again. He does need to die though and without any wishy-washy redemption/sacrifice story. He's not a victim any more and he's made his choice.
Indeed. It may partly be an artefact of having to keep pace with the events of the movies, but I like how the show has been pushing to constantly evolve and never content to lean on preferred format.
People were fixed. Other than Coulson and his writings, Mack was freed from zombie mode, Ward and Fitz were freed from Lorili's mind control, Gemma was cured from the Chitauri virus, you can even count Akila Amador as being fixed. They do go with some life changing events, but it's not a definite irreversible theme.
(Probably has some spelling errors.)
For a break in the routine: some real-world intelligence infrastructure reportage that might put some of SHIELD's work in a new - or perhaps very old - light:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/atlas_ob...ants_even_spies_need_to_fill_out_expense.html
http://www.slate.com/blogs/atlas_ob...ants_even_spies_need_to_fill_out_expense.html
Well, yes, you're right, but I've been looking at that as more of a personal crisis that she will hopefully pull out of. I don't want to see her become the enemy.^^ That was worthy.
Oh, good lord, please, no. Not to the black leather, which I can take or leave, but to Dark Gemma in general.I hope it results in lots and lots of black leather. Enough with the Good Girl Simmons routine.
Well I'd argue she's already "gone dark", or at least started down the path. She's gotten pretty damn ruthless of late, managed to outwit Bobbie (the expert interrogator) TWICE and rather casually planned to murder Ward without hesitation. It's just that nobody besides Fitz has any clue there's been a fundamental shift in her mentality.
Most of what you cited weren't drastic life altering events. They were mostly temporary afflictions, like stubbing your toe or getting a cold.
I already addressed how Coulson has been changed by his experiences and while Amador may have been freed from Hydra and had her eye bomb removed, it's a fair bet she hasn't magically reverted back to the person she was before. She's changed. For one thing she apparently doesn't feel she can be a SHIELD agent anymore and will probably suffer the psychological scars for the rest of her life.
Of course we don't know how Simmons woll be affected by that thing, but it'd seem more than a little cheep if it's anything that can be shrugged off in a few episodes. Given the trajectory her character is on, I think it's safe to say they have something very specific in mind.
Well, yes, you're right, but I've been looking at that as more of a personal crisis that she will hopefully pull out of. I don't want to see her become the enemy.^^ That was worthy.
Oh, good lord, please, no. Not to the black leather, which I can take or leave, but to Dark Gemma in general.
Well I'd argue she's already "gone dark", or at least started down the path. She's gotten pretty damn ruthless of late, managed to outwit Bobbie (the expert interrogator) TWICE and rather casually planned to murder Ward without hesitation. It's just that nobody besides Fitz has any clue there's been a fundamental shift in her mentality.
Neither do I, but that's the nature of drama, no?
It'd be hard to care about a character going down a bad path if we're not already invested in them. I think this is at least partly why Ward's story hasn't been working so well. Once you get over the initial shock of the Hydra reveal, you're just hoping someone will find an excuse to kill him because you never cared about him to begin with.
All that said, just because Simmons may go down a dark path, doesn't mean she'll never come back from it. Think of Londo's trajectory in B5. You still cared about him even when he was directly responsible for mass genocide and were rooting for him as he clawed his way back up. Sure, it finally caught up with him in the end, but again, that's drama for you.
Jemma's character seems to be on a very complicated trajectory. She's still compassionate, but it's compartmentalised. She has the people she cares about, but now she will murder anyone she thinks deserves it. She's doggedly loyal but is utterly vengeful to those who betray that trust. Indeed, I'm not sure she'll ever trust Bobbie or even May again.
The more I think of Jemma's current predicament, the more I think you're right.
And of Amy Acker's character on Angel.
That Chitauri virus, plus their cure, could have made Simmons as powerful as Skye and Mack could have been a super villain just as easily as any other current plot. That's just up to the writers. Almost dying is life altering but Gemma got over it pretty quick and Mack decided to live with it.
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You're not really getting what "life-altering" means. A "temporary" event, if traumatic enough, can change your life forever. Like doing a tour in combat and having to kill people, or being the victim of a violent assault, or, say, having a transcendental spiritual experience. An event doesn't have to make a permanent physical alteration in your body to have a permanent psychological effect on your life. We're talking about events that leave lasting emotional scars or change someone's beliefs or priorities. Like what happened to May in Bahrain. That was a single, "temporary" event, but it changed her entire life because of her guilt and post-traumatic stress at what she had to do. It led her to give up field work, it ended her marriage, it turned her into a much more bitter and closed-off person -- it was profoundly life-altering, even though it was a single incident.
Being under alien mind control, like Fitz with Lorelei or Mack with the Inhuman city, is hardly akin to a head cold. It's more like being kidnapped or, perhaps, sexually assaulted (though I'm aware that's a risky analogy to make without firsthand knowledge). It's a profound violation, having your power over yourself forcibly taken from you. And if someone under mind control were forced to kill someone or hurt a friend, it would be even more horrible to live with the knowledge of that. That's definitely a transformative event. Akela was similarly controlled and violated by Centipede/Hydra, forced to kill people and do other terrible things, so she couldn't just shake that off like a stubbed toe. And getting a disease and coming close to dying can change your outlook on life in profound ways. None of these events were trivial. Or at least they shouldn't be portrayed that way.
^Thanks Chris, I get it just fine.
The thing is we've yet to see if there's going to be any long term effects of Mack falling under Kree control, so I can hardly speak intelligently on the subject. The point being that he didn't "get fixed". It rattled him sure, but he seems to have shaken it off and it it changed him at all it was just to increase his already existing prejudice against all things he views as "abnormal" in general and alien in particular. For now it looks like he simply got over it. Honestly I don't remember if he said he even remembered the experience or just blacked out. Regardless though, these are SHIELD agents and they wouldn't be so if they were mentally fragile people from the offset, yes?
But again, we'll have to wait and see exactly what has happened to Jemma.
Best case scenario: it spits her right back out without a scratch, she spends a few days in quarantine and spends the rest of her life feeling uneasy around oil slicks and can't watch that episode of TNG where they killed of Tasha Yar.
Worst case scenario: she becomes Carnage and tries to eat Fitz.
The thing is we've yet to see if there's going to be any long term effects of Mack falling under Kree control, so I can hardly speak intelligently on the subject. The point being that he didn't "get fixed". It rattled him sure, but he seems to have shaken it off and it it changed him at all it was just to increase his already existing prejudice against all things he views as "abnormal" in general and alien in particular. For now it looks like he simply got over it. Honestly I don't remember if he said he even remembered the experience or just blacked out. Regardless though, these are SHIELD agents and they wouldn't be so if they were mentally fragile people from the offset, yes?
But again, we'll have to wait and see exactly what has happened to Jemma.
Best case scenario: it spits her right back out without a scratch, she spends a few days in quarantine and spends the rest of her life feeling uneasy around oil slicks and can't watch that episode of TNG where they killed of Tasha Yar.
Worst case scenario: she becomes Carnage and tries to eat Fitz.
Henry Simmons Upped to Series Regular for Season 3 - http://tvline.com/2015/06/04/agents-of-shield-henry-simmons-series-regular-season-3-mack
Oh, good, Mack's still around.
Woohoo!
Fixed that for you.
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