Not necessarily. There are already a lot of people speculating that she'll be altered in some way and released before anyone realizes she was missing.
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Not necessarily. There are already a lot of people speculating that she'll be altered in some way and released before anyone realizes she was missing.
Or they already got all the decent personal and equipment, retreated into the shadows, and left Ward with the scrapes.
Indeed. Casablanca always ends the same way every time I watch it.
What, you haven't see the version where Strasser hauls Laszlo away, Ilsa shoots Rick, and then she runs off with Louis?
And Cal damages everything, on top of chewing the scenery. "I'm sorry, was that scenery expensive? It looked expensive."
I would subscribe to that thread.
Indeed. Casablanca always ends the same way every time I watch it.
What, you haven't see the version where Strasser hauls Laszlo away, Ilsa shoots Rick, and then she runs off with Louis?
And Cal damages everything, on top of chewing the scenery. "I'm sorry, was that scenery expensive? It looked expensive."
Old.
Dang. Looked for the exact quote and couldn't find it.
I keep thinking that, instead of a vet, Cal should've been Tahiti-ed into thinking he was an FBI agent in the Pacific Northwest.
Well, my question is whether they're Hydra or not.
Crossbones is Brock Rumlow, who was the head of STRIKE in The Winter Soldier and was definitely working for Hydra at the time. Zemo has been affiliated with Hydra in the past, leading at least a portion or offshoot of it, as well as with other organizations like the Masters of Evil and the Thunderbolts.
Of course it's entirely possible that by this point both of those characters have abandon whatever may be left of Hydra and struck out on their own. Maybe even freelancing from AIM or the Ten Rings.
Just from a movie perspective, it would seem odd that after quite clearly saying in the first 15mins of AoU that Strucker's was the last Hydra facility left (and everything in AoS points to his group being the dominant cell) only to have them almost immediately return in Civil War.
I think in many ways, that's almost a philosophical question.
Look at it this way: It's a bit like asking if a given terrorist is al-Qaeda or not. By which I mean, al-Qaeda is almost more of a brand name with affiliated franchises than it is a centralized organization -- if some militia gets together, attacks civilians, and declares itself "al-Qaeda-in-Sudan" because they think Osama bin Ladin was the bees knees and they consider themselves loyal to al-Qaeda proper, well, then, that makes them al-Qaeda, doesn't it? Even if they've never met anyone or had any interactions whatsoever with al-Qaeda leadership.
At this point, I think Hydra is like al-Qaeda in that regard. They are Hydra because they think of themselves as Hydra, because they seek to embody that sense of Hydra-ness and are loyal to that conception of Hydra.
This does reopen the question of just what Hydra's ideology is and what they ultimately want. I think that the conclusions I came to in this post are valid. They seek not only to usurp the world's governments and rule directly, but they seek also to use science to create a race of fantastical Übermensch who shall reign supreme over the inferior masses: Fantastical fascists who venerate a superior-race-to-come-from-science rather than an existing nation.
Given that... Really, no two Hydra cells need to be in communication with one-another, or aware of one-another's existence, to be equally Hydra. They need only be committed to the idea of Hydra and its own domination of others.
But of course, we've been through this before with Hydra, haven't we? At the end of Captain America: The First Avenger, their bases were stormed, their assets seized, their personnel killed or detained; Hydra was utterly defeated. And yet it sprang forth again, did it not? "Cut off one head, and two more shall take its place."
As a plot device, Hydra has a built-in excuse to grow back from nothing.
Let's add to this the fact that it is not clear that all of Hydra's leaders are dead. We saw Dr. List shot by Tony's repulsor beams in Avengers: Age of Ultron, but it's not clear that that must necessarily have killed him. He could also have been knocked unconscious, and be held in a NATO prison. (AoU had a line of dialogue saying that the Hydra leaders captured in the opening sequences of AoU were turned over to NATO.)
And of course, we already know what happens when the seemingly unimpressive seconds-in-command of Hydra are imprisoned while the leaders are killed or disappear.
I'm not saying it's not logically plausible, just that at this stage it'd be narratively trite. As you said yourself, they've already done the "Hydra are long gone---opps nope they're back again!" story turn.
I'm in no doubt that they could come back in a big way down the line but this just feels a little too soon IMO.
I've seen the one where Ilsa shoots everybody and declares herself Empress Ilsa of Casablanca. "Today Casablanca, tomorrow Brazzaville!"Indeed. Casablanca always ends the same way every time I watch it.
What, you haven't see the version where Strasser hauls Laszlo away, Ilsa shoots Rick, and then she runs off with Louis?
I love the scene where May wakes up in the Quinjet and Cal is in the background, singing, "I'm half craaazy...." The look on his face is priceless.
Eh, not really, since my question was way more straight forward than that. I'm just asking if they call themselves Hydra.
I get the two cells thing and that's all fine. I'm more concerned whether the movies are going with Hydra being gone just like they have SHIELD gone (leaving Hydra exclusively to Agents of SHIELD) or if the villains of Cap3 are going to consider themselves Hydra. If they do, there's room in season 3 to have Ward try to merge his cell with their cell.
"Sometimes, when two evil organizations love each other very much..."
Who says they have to come back in a big way, they just have to have enough resources left to deal with Cap and co. in one movie after having about a year to pick up the pieces.
Besides its kind of weird that just having the bosses die has the entire organization just poof into non-existence instead of just having a new big bad take over as in line with their survival strategy, even SHIELD which probably took a bigger hit than that managed to hold out better than that.
It kind of would make more sense if a new head poped up garbed what they could and snuck off to quietly rebuild until they saw their chance to move like say the superheroes starting beating each other up for some reason.
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