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Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)
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Good point. Maybe he'd get over his prejudice against enhanced people if he becomes one.
Not too surprised about SHIELD, but shocked and delighted about Agent Carter.
They didn't have to avoid it, though. They could easily have simply written it differently so that they didn't have major plot points of the show depending on events that don't take place in the show. Reference it, show some reactions, maybe use it as one reason among many why Coulson is now considered trustworthy again. That would've worked fine. It's not necessarily the tie-in that caused problems, so much as the fact that they apparently felt the need to automatically treat the tie-in as a major event for the show even though it clearly wasn't.
I agree, though, Civil War will almost certainly go more along the WS lines and I expect that arc will be really good.
Maybe they decided against it so Mockingbird can be used in an Avengers movie.
Best news I've heard today!!
Too bad about the Mockingbird show. We've got AKA Jessica Jones, Agent Carter, and Supergirl on the schedule now, but I was hoping for a fourth female-led superhero show, since the more of those we get, the harder it is for the movie execs to pretend that audiences don't want female superheroes.
Although the downside would've been that it was apparently going to be about both Bobbi and Hunter equally, so that wouldn't quite be a full-on female-led premise.
You know what? Hell, at this point, Marvel's TV division should just add a Black Widow series to the Netflix roster. The movie people aren't likely to come to their senses anytime soon, and a 13-episode Netflix season could be as high-quality and prestigious as any movie, and also wouldn't be limited to PG-13 content and thus could delve more deeply into the character's dark past. Plus there'd be the possibility of a Daredevil/Black Widow crossover. I suppose ScarJo might be too expensive for them, but it seems like the best prospect for a BW solo project at this point.
By the way, I couldn't help notice this bit from the Deadline article:
"Respective?" So all this time, Palicki's been playing Hunter and Blood's been playing Bobbi? Wow, they're better actors than I thought!
Although the downside would've been that it was apparently going to be about both Bobbi and Hunter equally, so that wouldn't quite be a full-on female-led premise.
You know what? Hell, at this point, Marvel's TV division should just add a Black Widow series to the Netflix roster. The movie people aren't likely to come to their senses anytime soon, and a 13-episode Netflix season could be as high-quality and prestigious as any movie, and also wouldn't be limited to PG-13 content and thus could delve more deeply into the character's dark past. Plus there'd be the possibility of a Daredevil/Black Widow crossover. I suppose ScarJo might be too expensive for them, but it seems like the best prospect for a BW solo project at this point.
By the way, I couldn't help notice this bit from the Deadline article:
"Respective?" So all this time, Palicki's been playing Hunter and Blood's been playing Bobbi? Wow, they're better actors than I thought!
I'm told that's apparently the plan, that ABC didn't want AoS to lose those characters. I don't have a source for that, though; it's just something someone said to me on another board when I made much the same comment.
I'm ok with the news & decision to not move forward with a Mockingbird led show right now. I'd be totally up for a Mockingbird led show a few seasons down the road, perhaps as AoS is going out at a S5/6. Spinoff Mockingbird, Deathlok, Quake, perhaps another powered character introduced in S3-5 then add a new character and call it Secret Avengers. With SHIELD being rebuilt & if the Ant-Man film takes off they could intro Eric O'Grady. I keep hoping that with Asgard ties they find a way to perhaps bring Valkyrie into the mix. That helps with my Secret Avengers strategy anyway.
Well, that sucks. I was getting used to the idea that I wouldn't have to see Mockingbird ruin AoS anymore. Now, not only do we not get that, but the 8 episode documentary on 50s Misogyny is getting renewed? As much as I enjoy Aos, I still wish we got an actual Marvel superhero show on TV, but I guess netflix has called dibs on them.
It all sounds like hearsay and speculation at this point. So far as I can tell there's no actual official word on whether they're going ahead with developing 'Mockingbird' or not (did they ever officially even announce it was being developed at all?)
Either way I think I'd rather either keep Bobbie on AoS and/or do a Netflix style mini-series for a more character focused solo adventure. Not that I don't want Mockingbird to get her own show, but I guess I'm a bit sceptical as to the format. It my be presumptuous of me, but two Marvel super-spy shows seems a little redundant.
I would have thought that if they were going to do a spin-off it should be something a little more different. Maybe something along the lines of Secret Warriors with Skye as the lead of a new team of Inhumans and Enhanced working with both the Avengers Initiative & SHIELD.
Either way I think I'd rather either keep Bobbie on AoS and/or do a Netflix style mini-series for a more character focused solo adventure. Not that I don't want Mockingbird to get her own show, but I guess I'm a bit sceptical as to the format. It my be presumptuous of me, but two Marvel super-spy shows seems a little redundant.
I would have thought that if they were going to do a spin-off it should be something a little more different. Maybe something along the lines of Secret Warriors with Skye as the lead of a new team of Inhumans and Enhanced working with both the Avengers Initiative & SHIELD.
Agent Carter is a period piece, so in my mind the tone and content is distinct enough not to clash or have a lot of overlap with AoS. A 'Mockingbird' series on the other hand would of course be contemporary.
Not saying it's impossible. Far from it; there's ample precedent from TNG/DS9/VGR, to SG1/Atlantis and the numerous and sundry incarnations of CSI. That said I think the latter of which probably best illustrates what can happen when you oversaturate.
The Mockingbird series would have given them three Marvel universes to coordinate- it was hard enough with just AoS & the Avengers movies. I did not count Agent Carter since she is not in current time frame.
The fact that you still don't like Mockingbird aside, I am kinda curious what you think about the rest of the story development regarding the "real SHIELD" story and characters and Simmons, etc. Turned out quite a bit different than your predictions earlier, after all.
Well, I didn't really think my predictions would come true. Actually, I will give AoS a lot of credit. Gonzales's last scene really managed to turn him around. Sure, he had a mistrust for "enhanced" people that bordered on the Captain Ahab level, but he honestly tried to make peace. I never expected his "secret weapon" to be something Skye's mother had lost, and that really surprised me, almost as much as when Skye's mom proceeded to kill him. If they had made him a more balanced character the whole time, and not just show the crazy, obsessive stuff, I might have liked Gonzales better, and maybe sympathized with him. As it is, I can't forget how unbearable he made a bunch of episodes, but his last scene did a lot toward redeeming him.
As for the current set up, its interesting. I'd argue that emulating the Fury/World Council dynamic is a bit iffy, since the World Council tried to murder every person in New York with a nuke (I wonder what the US Government had to say about that, since they had to have learned about it eventually), and the new council itself is still pretty unlikeable, but its the best way the could have resolved it.
As for Mockingbird, I obviously still dislike her. She's still a traitor, and her "side", even if they ended up not being totally horrible, was still in the wrong compared to Coulson, and were still less legitimate than his SHIELD. I'm also wondering if, based on what Agent 33 was saying last episode, Mockingbird handed 33 over to Hydra when 33 was still a sane SHIELD agent, probably so Mockingbird could keep/establish her cover in Hydra. If that ends up being how 33 was captured and brainwashed, and that seems likely based on how Agent 33 has been reacting to Mockingbird, that's just another reason to hate her. I will grant that Mockingbird seems to be slightly less of an idiot than Mac (I am so glad he's leaving, but with my luck its a fake out), but with Gonzales gone (and somewhat redeemed by his death) and Mac leaving, Mockingbird is the worst main character on the show.
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