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Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)

I don't feel that the show has suffered due to the movies. It's a popular opinion in some circles but that doesn't make it so.
 
I think the whole tie in would gave worked a wee bit better if Coulson had gotten a cameo in the movie and 30 seconds of heroic actions like saving one of the Avengers or actually being in command of the helicarrier instead of Fury.

I know Whedon didn't want that headscratcher in the movie because it would require some explanation for the audience who don't watch the show.
But a single tongue in cheek reference would have done it.
"Coulson? How the hell..."
"You'd be anazed what a trip to Tahiti can do for your health, Cap, it's a magical place. I'll tell you the whole story later (or buy the Agents of SHIELD DVDs instead), right now we have to get those people to safety!"

As nice as it would have been, honestly I think even that would have been *really* clunky.
I think Whedon's attitude is about right. Either deal with it head on with the attention it deserves, or not at all. A half measure would just feel cheep and unnecessary.
 
But a single tongue in cheek reference would have done it.
"Coulson? How the hell..."

"Language, Captain!"

"You'd be anazed what a trip to Tahiti can do for your health, Cap, it's a magical place. I'll tell you the whole story later (or buy the Agents of SHIELD DVDs instead), right now we have to get those people to safety!"

Actually, with the Fury fake-out in TWS, I don't know that Cap would actually be distracted enough to comment on it at the time.
 
This season made a point of occasionally referencing Strucker in a way that made his HYDRA operation seem like something compartmentalized that Coulson's SHIELD wasn't dealing with. Maybe the reason they weren't going after Strucker was because Coulson knew that the Avengers were on the case.
 
I think the whole tie in would gave worked a wee bit better if Coulson had gotten a cameo in the movie and 30 seconds of heroic actions like saving one of the Avengers or actually being in command of the helicarrier instead of Fury.

I know Whedon didn't want that headscratcher in the movie because it would require some explanation for the audience who don't watch the show.
But a single tongue in cheek reference would have done it.
"Coulson? How the hell..."
"You'd be anazed what a trip to Tahiti can do for your health, Cap, it's a magical place. I'll tell you the whole story later (or buy the Agents of SHIELD DVDs instead), right now we have to get those people to safety!"

Agreed. I said the same thing - and I even said 30 seconds, too. :bolian:.



Actually, the instant that random guy with dark curly hair and a necktie appeared on the helicarrier, I wondered if that role could have been filled by Coulson. And it really could have. He didn't even have to communicate with any of the Avengers - and a throwaway line to Fury or Hill would cover the "what's HE doing there?" people.

It would be a good nod to the series, and deserved really. I'm sure most casual fans would have heard obliquely that Clark Gregg was starring in a SHIELD television show, even if they'd never watch it.

Mark

This is a good idea. Satisfys the needs of both sides.
 
I'm sorry. Was that old? That looked old.
Kal grew on me. If he wasn't a mass murderer, he'd be great.
Mack, at least, wasn't out of character in leaving, but I was disappointed anyway. I really wanted him to reconcile with Fitz and stay with the team. Maybe it will still happen, but I imagine that a war with the Inhumans will only convince him that he was right.
Mack did mention that he was going to the carrier to pick up his things first. And, well, there just happens to be an alien something of interest on the carrier.
I hope he doesn't get possessed again.

The problem with this tie-in, though, is that it's neither here nor there. It changes the storyline of the show, but it does so in a single conversation about events that have already happened without even showing a single clip of what Ultron did.
They did show the aftermath on a screen in the background and they pointed out that a week went by. They had more pressing issues, the Inhumans.
...Netflix shows like Daredevil have it better in the latter regard, since their characters are unconnected to the movie characters and can thus follow their own independent story arcs...
Kinda,,,
Ben, the reporter, wrote a story on the Hulk and a Levethian (the flying monster in Avengers). The article is seen in the background of his office. Also, I remember a baddie pointing out Daredevil "didn't have fancy armor or a magic hammer" or something like that. They gave the MCU a nod.
...I know Whedon didn't want that headscratcher in the movie because it would require some explanation for the audience who don't watch the show....
Days of Futures Past brought back Xavier without a word and it was still blockbuster.
Besides, in the first Avengers, Fury said Coulson was dead but after Hill said "those cards were in his locker", Fury said "They needed the push". Those who haven't watched the show can figure Fury simply lied and Coulson lived or was revived after the medical team got there.
 
...Netflix shows like Daredevil have it better in the latter regard, since their characters are unconnected to the movie characters and can thus follow their own independent story arcs...
Kinda,,,
Ben, the reporter, wrote a story on the Hulk and a Levethian (the flying monster in Avengers). The article is seen in the background of his office. Also, I remember a baddie pointing out Daredevil "didn't have fancy armor or a magic hammer" or something like that. They gave the MCU a nod.

Yes, I know. I watched the show. But the point is that those were just incidental details, Easter eggs and nothing more. If you cut them out, it wouldn't have changed anything about the plot or the character arcs. The only thing from the larger MCU continuity that had any actual effect on the storyline was the Battle of New York in The Avengers, and not only was that three years ago, but it was just used as an excuse to explain why Hell's Kitchen was run down and corrupt like it is in the comics rather than trendy and gentrified like it is in reality. So there was nothing in the show that had to connect to current or upcoming events in the movies.

The characters in Agents of SHIELD are operating in an overlapping sphere with the movie characters, so either their storylines are affected by the movies or the audience wonders why. But the Netflix shows are about street-level characters who've never even met the Avengers or Nick Fury, so anything from the movies is just a background detail. That makes it easier to keep them on an independent path -- which is certainly not the same thing as saying they don't acknowledge the larger universe at all.


Days of Futures Past brought back Xavier without a word and it was still blockbuster.
Yeah, but nobody minds much when a widely disliked movie is retconned by a later one. The Avengers was anything but widely disliked.


Besides, in the first Avengers, Fury said Coulson was dead but after Hill said "those cards were in his locker", Fury said "They needed the push". Those who haven't watched the show can figure Fury simply lied and Coulson lived or was revived after the medical team got there.
Honestly, I was surprised when that wasn't revealed in the final scene of that movie. It seemed like they were telegraphing it all along.
 
At this point its all hearsay from Deadline. Nothing official has been announced one way or the other.

I do agree though, despite the wonderful news about both Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Agent Carter's renewal, both items do tend to put a pinprick in the balloon that might have been the Mockingbird show.

We'll find out eventually; I prefer to remain optimistic.
 
I'd rather keep Mockingbird on the mothership. She can fill the kickass field operative role that Ward played when the team first formed. I'm not a big fan of Hunter and I'm pretty sure he would have co-starred in the spinoff, so I'm not too bothered.
 
Well, this isn't the first time that a Mockingbird show has been rejected. Nor is it the first time an Adrianne Palicki comic book show has been rejected.
 
^ Yeah exactly... based on what I've heard, the WW pilot was a total mess (and not because of Palicki). And there could be plenty of reasons why the Mockingbird pilot didn't get made. Maybe the script sucked. Maybe the suits decided two MCU shows on ABC are enough. Or maybe they like some of their other scripts/pilots more.
 
OH, that's just the universe being a jerk.

She's done nothing wrong.

No, I like her a lot. Very entertaining as Mockingbird (and in John Wick and various other roles).

And there could be plenty of reasons why the Mockingbird pilot didn't get made.

Quite simply, they may have decided that an AOS show would be too weak without Bobbi and Hunter (and maybe Mack or someone else they might have taken from the show too).

They also may have decided that AOS simply wasn't strong enough to support a spinoff ratings-wise.


That said, I'm going to hold on to a tiny bit of hope that maybe we'll still get a Mockingbird miniseries next spring, maybe just 6-8 episodes, running at the same time as Shield, and with a nice big crossover where they all come together at the end.

Okay, I'll admit that's highly unlikely. But isn't it a nice idea?
 
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