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Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)

If we want a moonbase, we've already had SHIELD spacecraft assets referred to in AoS dialogue on a couple of occasions. Pods like the ones on the Bus were intended for use on ships and spacecraft as well as aircraft, per Fitz' comments in Season 1.
 
Coulson's already connected those dots for Gonzales' benefit, though, by admitting to being in contact with Hill and that Fury's alive. He made "Fury's looking over my shoulder...at you" a threat. Not in those exact words, mind you...
I meant like literally on the set upstaging Coulson.
 
I finally saw this week's episode. I loved it. It was a blast seeing the whole team together, and the end was a nice little set up for AoU.
 
Coulson's already connected those dots for Gonzales' benefit, though, by admitting to being in contact with Hill and that Fury's alive. He made "Fury's looking over my shoulder...at you" a threat. Not in those exact words, mind you...
I meant like literally on the set upstaging Coulson.

Understood, but since the dialogue from that scene was hanging fire in my brain at the moment...
 
You're assuming that they can't render a slightly lower poly version of the mesh with cut-down texture res.
I was thinking that, too. Even if they use the same model, couldn't they render at lower resolution for TV-- fewer iterations and texture detail and so on?
 
Apologies for those who read both threads, but I realize there are those who may not be reading the AOU thread, but have seen the movie and stuck with the series, but, I have a thought on "Theta Protocol," as well as the direction the show may take in the future:

Could this new Avengers Facility/Avengers Initiative as a replacement for S.H.I.E.L.D. be "Theta Protocol"? Coulson is gathering powered people seemingly to train them. The end of AOU shows Cap and Natasha training the next group of Avengers. Perhaps Coulson and crew will seek out more candidates and even assist in training some of them. Skye and Mike/Deathlock could be trained there. Cap/Natasha's group could be the "Graduate Level" training, whereas others would start off smaller.
 
Apologies for those who read both threads, but I realize there are those who may not be reading the AOU thread, but have seen the movie and stuck with the series, but, I have a thought on "Theta Protocol," as well as the direction the show may take in the future:

Could this new Avengers Facility/Avengers Initiative as a replacement for S.H.I.E.L.D. be "Theta Protocol"? Coulson is gathering powered people seemingly to train them. The end of AOU shows Cap and Natasha training the next group of Avengers. Perhaps Coulson and crew will seek out more candidates and even assist in training some of them. Skye and Mike/Deathlock could be trained there. Cap/Natasha's group could be the "Graduate Level" training, whereas others would start off smaller.

An interesting idea. Not sure that I'd dismiss the idea out of hand.
 
My impression from the way that it was referenced this episode is that "Theta Protocol" is calling in the Avengers. Makes sense if Coulson gave Koenig an order to enact "Theta Protocol" if things went wrong in the Kree city....Coulson wanted him to call the Avengers.

It could also be a broader term for any cross-collaboration with the Avengers, which would explain the bunk beds thing.
 
Apologies for those who read both threads, but I realize there are those who may not be reading the AOU thread, but have seen the movie and stuck with the series, but, I have a thought on "Theta Protocol," as well as the direction the show may take in the future:

Could this new Avengers Facility/Avengers Initiative as a replacement for S.H.I.E.L.D. be "Theta Protocol"? Coulson is gathering powered people seemingly to train them. The end of AOU shows Cap and Natasha training the next group of Avengers. Perhaps Coulson and crew will seek out more candidates and even assist in training some of them. Skye and Mike/Deathlock could be trained there. Cap/Natasha's group could be the "Graduate Level" training, whereas others would start off smaller.

I need to go back and watch the end of the SHIELD episode again, but based on what we see at the end of the movie with the new Avengers, it makes sense that there is an Avengers Academy out there somewhere
 
You're assuming that they can't render a slightly lower poly version of the mesh with cut-down texture res.
I was thinking that, too. Even if they use the same model, couldn't they render at lower resolution for TV-- fewer iterations and texture detail and so on?
My understanding is that while you could create lower-detailed textures and map those onto the existing model, if you wanted to reduce the poly count you'd need to create a whole new model. You can't just say "hey, magically delete some random polys from this".
 
You're assuming that they can't render a slightly lower poly version of the mesh with cut-down texture res.
I was thinking that, too. Even if they use the same model, couldn't they render at lower resolution for TV-- fewer iterations and texture detail and so on?
My understanding is that while you could create lower-detailed textures and map those onto the existing model, if you wanted to reduce the poly count you'd need to create a whole new model. You can't just say "hey, magically delete some random polys from this".

Not exactly. There are ways.
One trick is to essentially strip away layers of greeblies (which typically amount to the lion's share of any hight poly model of this sort) all down one side and just never "shoot" it from that angle. Same for loading textures. No point burning render time on something that's not going to be visible anyway.
Another is to render those greeblies as a separate file and just apply them as a texture/bump-map.

So long as the camera doesn't get too close, it shouldn't be all that noticeable.

As I said though, it's not just about polys, but texture-res and multi-sample passes as well. Plus of course the final pre-composite render for a TV show isn't likely to be much more than 1080p or 2k max. For a modern movie you're probably looking as something more along the lines of 8-16k which is obviously several orders of magnitude greater.
 
My impression from the way that it was referenced this episode is that "Theta Protocol" is calling in the Avengers. Makes sense if Coulson gave Koenig an order to enact "Theta Protocol" if things went wrong in the Kree city....Coulson wanted him to call the Avengers.

It could also be a broader term for any cross-collaboration with the Avengers, which would explain the bunk beds thing.

Keep in mind, Coulson never connected the bunk beds and Theta Protocol as literally the same thing. That's what NuSHIELD thought.
 
My impression from the way that it was referenced this episode is that "Theta Protocol" is calling in the Avengers. Makes sense if Coulson gave Koenig an order to enact "Theta Protocol" if things went wrong in the Kree city....Coulson wanted him to call the Avengers.

It could also be a broader term for any cross-collaboration with the Avengers, which would explain the bunk beds thing.

Keep in mind, Coulson never connected the bunk beds and Theta Protocol as literally the same thing. That's what NuSHIELD thought.

Yeah I was just about to ask whether we know the two things are even connected, or just inferred it from dialogue.

In that context Theta Protocol seems to roughly translate as "Call Hill and tell her to have the Avengers go here". Had they failed at the Kree temple, it'd make sense that the next move would be to call in the big guns before Hydra can do gods know what with control of an alien city.

The bunk beds thing could still be indicative of a hellicarrier. ;)
 
The helicarrier should already have beds. I'd think that those probably are for...

...the new Avengers facility. But I didn't get a clear vibe from the movie that they're going to be recruiting and training a new army of enhanced types a la Xavier's school. It seems that the facility is their new HQ and it was evident that it had a decent-sized support staff.
 
The helicarrier should already have beds. I'd think that those probably are for...

...the new Avengers facility. But I didn't get a clear vibe from the movie that they're going to be recruiting and training a new army of enhanced types a la Xavier's school. It seems that the facility is their new HQ and it was evident that it had a decent-sized support staff.

That seems more like a Stark bankrolled thing. Refitting the hellecarrier as an evacuation/hospital ship on the other hand, would require a whole lot of beds. Besides, who knows maybe they ripped out all the old beds before putting it into mothballs. ;)
 
Hopefully the show will feel free to spoil the new film in order to enlighten us on some of these details, like it did last season. :p
 
I suspect they will explain the bunkbeds. My guess is the spoilers are correct, even if I don't think they're literally Theta Protocol.
 
In that context Theta Protocol seems to roughly translate as "Call Hill and tell her to have the Avengers go here"

Except Hill was asking Coulson if Theta Protocol was ready, which means its something he is specifically working on and not her.

So I don't think its sending the Avengers after someone or something, I think its just something Coulson is working on for Hill and Fury.
 
Oh no.

Theta protocol couldn't be as fricking simple as getting a Hellicarrier out of Mothballs?
 
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