Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)

[Grendelsbayne]

Spoiler: Age of Ultron

All along I was assuming the Ultron drones were already constructed prior to the movie beginning and would turn evil halfway through. So I was assuming the mystery cargo in Gonzalez' Helicarrier was going to be Ultron drones and the Theta Protocol was activating them. Now I have no clue what it could be. A mothballed Helicarrier or a facility with nobody in it doesn't make any sense and we already knew about the Index. Unless it's drafting all the superhumans they know of...

I was also shocked to learn in the movie that the Avengers have been working together for quite some time going on Hydra raids. You'd think they would have mentioned this in the tv show since this season has been all about going after Hydra! I was assuming they only meet for the second time ever in the movie.

Spoiler: Age of Ultron

Didn't the last episode end with Coulson telling the Avengers (through Hill) that Hydra had the sceptre? Which then leads them to start the search that ends in AoU? Maybe I misinterpreted something, but at the end of that episode my immediate reaction was: 'Oh, so the movie is actually a couple months ahead of the show's timeline here.'

 

[Reverend]

Spoiler: Age of Ultron

All along I was assuming the Ultron drones were already constructed prior to the movie beginning and would turn evil halfway through. So I was assuming the mystery cargo in Gonzalez' Helicarrier was going to be Ultron drones and the Theta Protocol was activating them. Now I have no clue what it could be. A mothballed Helicarrier or a facility with nobody in it doesn't make any sense and we already knew about the Index. Unless it's drafting all the superhumans they know of...

I was also shocked to learn in the movie that the Avengers have been working together for quite some time going on Hydra raids. You'd think they would have mentioned this in the tv show since this season has been all about going after Hydra! I was assuming they only meet for the second time ever in the movie.

Spoiler: Age of Ultron

Didn't the last episode end with Coulson telling the Avengers (through Hill) that Hydra had the sceptre? Which then leads them to start the search that ends in AoU? Maybe I misinterpreted something, but at the end of that episode my immediate reaction was: 'Oh, so the movie is actually a couple months ahead of the show's timeline here.'

Spoiler: Age of Ultron

No, it ended with Coulson specifically finding the place where Strucker was keeping it, leading directly to the attack that happens at the start of the movie.
There is mention of other raids the Avengers made of Hydra installations, which we may now presume was also based on Coulson's intel. They probably also hit a few places after Couson's team had cleared out, like for example that building Simmons & Bobbie infiltrated.
That means this whole time Coulson has been knocking out the leadership and sabotaging Hydra operations so the Avengers can come in after and smash the remaining infrastructure.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Did anyone notice that Skye called Raina Sonic the Hedgehog?

I thought it was funny. I can't read the spoilers yet, so even though the thread is harder to follow, thanks for posting them in spoiler code.

Yup, took me a second to get the reference, but it was pretty witty

 

[Christopher]

Saw the movie today, so I can finally catch up on this thread.

Spoiler: Age of Ultron

"...and the world will be changed forever."

Sorry, but I'm just not seeing how the movie will have the consequences that Raina promised. What am I missing?

Spoiler: AoU

Consider: When Wanda read Ultron's thoughts while he was downloading into the proto-Vision, she saw a, err, vision of Ultron's planned apocalypse. So maybe Raina, like Wanda, saw what would have happened if the Avengers hadn't stopped Ultron.

Spoiler: Age of Ultron

I was also shocked to learn in the movie that the Avengers have been working together for quite some time going on Hydra raids. You'd think they would have mentioned this in the tv show since this season has been all about going after Hydra! I was assuming they only meet for the second time ever in the movie.

Spoiler: AoU

I think it's safe to assume they've been together pretty continuously since The Winter Soldier. With SHIELD out of the picture, the Avengers had to pick up the slack. (When Widow said "You know where to find us" to the Congressional hearing at the end of TWS, I always took that to mean that she was speaking of -- and for -- the Avengers.)

Spoiler: Age of Ultron

No, it ended with Coulson specifically finding the place where Strucker was keeping it, leading directly to the attack that happens at the start of the movie.
There is mention of other raids the Avengers made of Hydra installations, which we may now presume was also based on Coulson's intel. They probably also hit a few places after Couson's team had cleared out, like for example that building Simmons & Bobbie infiltrated.
That means this whole time Coulson has been knocking out the leadership and sabotaging Hydra operations so the Avengers can come in after and smash the remaining infrastructure.

Spoiler: AoU

Right -- they've both been going after the remnants of HYDRA, either in coordination or independently. HYDRA's big enough that it'd take more than one team to hunt them all down. And the Avengers have been primarily searching for Loki's sceptre, which means they were searching for Strucker.

Moving on to my own speculations...

Spoiler: AoU/AoS?

I'm wondering if the helicarrier Fury de-mothballed was Gonzales's boat. Maybe tomorrow night (or Wednesday morning for me, since I watch it on Hulu thanks to my ABC affiliate's screwed-up audio), we'll see Hill requesting Gonzales's help with a rescue mission in Sokovia. Although I'm not sure how to reconcile that with the thread about some big secret being hidden in Gonzales's carrier. Those rescue shuttles wouldn't be much of a deep dark secret.

Ooh, just occurred to me -- The involvement of the Maximoff twins in Ultron's creation, along with the Hulk's rampage, is not going to help alleviate Gonzales's prejudice against "enhanced" people.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The word terrorist didn't exist in the 1960s.

It's sorta amazing how smoothly Caps Kooky Quartet transitioned from terrorism to law enforcement.

 

[kitik]

I can't read the spoilers yet, so even though the thread is harder to follow, thanks for posting them in spoiler code.

If tomorrow night's episode takes place after Ultron, then spoilers might be considered fair game in this thread. (Or at least relevant spoilers.)

We'll find out I suppose. At the very least, I'd expect that the season finale next week would be placed definitively after AOU.

 

[Guy Gardener]

• - First off, there should never be spoilers in thread titles. That's a no-no. Verboten.
• - Second, if your thread contains or is likely to contain spoilers, please indicate that in the title, so folks looking to avoid spoilers can, well, avoid them.
• - Fourthly, if you bring spoiler discussion into a regular thread, please use the spoiler code. Otherwise, Spiff cries, and every time Spiff cries, he gets really blubbery. We're talking newborn baby here. Dude makes Niagara Falls look like the desert, you get what we're saying? So you don't want to make Spiff cry.
• - Finally, the statute of limitations on whether to consider an episode/film free of spoilers is one year from the time when it first airs, wherever it first airs. If a new episode of a series or film airs on June 1st in England then on Aug 1st in the US, the clock starts ticking on June 1st.

The spoiler code can be dropped in 360 days.

 

[bbjeg]

This is a discussion thread about the series. I get not spoiling a movie apart it but if I read that correctly, we're supposed to spoiler new episode discussions (so pretty much the entire thread)?

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I can't read the spoilers yet, so even though the thread is harder to follow, thanks for posting them in spoiler code.

If tomorrow night's episode takes place after Ultron, then spoilers might be considered fair game in this thread. (Or at least relevant spoilers.)

Yeah, relevant spoilers. Although maybe give it a few days for everyone to catch their breath. For the broader implications of what we've seen, we have this thread.

 

[sojourner]

• - First off, there should never be spoilers in thread titles. That's a no-no. Verboten.
• - Second, if your thread contains or is likely to contain spoilers, please indicate that in the title, so folks looking to avoid spoilers can, well, avoid them.
• - Fourthly, if you bring spoiler discussion into a regular thread, please use the spoiler code. Otherwise, Spiff cries, and every time Spiff cries, he gets really blubbery. We're talking newborn baby here. Dude makes Niagara Falls look like the desert, you get what we're saying? So you don't want to make Spiff cry.
• - Finally, the statute of limitations on whether to consider an episode/film free of spoilers is one year from the time when it first airs, wherever it first airs. If a new episode of a series or film airs on June 1st in England then on Aug 1st in the US, the clock starts ticking on June 1st.

The spoiler code can be dropped in 360 days.

Except when over ruled by point #2.

 

[Mr Light]

Can we get spoiler tags for these discussions of spoiler policies please? I haven't read the policy yet.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Just about the movie.

Because there could be someone saving their pennies for the the next 6 months so that they can rent Avengers II on DVD.

Spoiler: Saturday Night Live Sketches about the Avengers.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM_ckDZ9I5M[/yt]

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xow4ChpEVGo[/yt]

 

[bbjeg]

Great stuff.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Except when over ruled by point #2.

Ah, but point two is about Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 2 spoilers, and not Avengers age of Ultron Spoilers. You can't just say "this is a thread about Barbie movies" and then stipulate who won that big boxing match yesterday minutes after it finished. We warn about specific spoilers, not random spoilers, surely?

(I really, really don't care so much.)

 

[kitik]

I can't read the spoilers yet, so even though the thread is harder to follow, thanks for posting them in spoiler code.

If tomorrow night's episode takes place after Ultron, then spoilers might be considered fair game in this thread. (Or at least relevant spoilers.)

Yeah, relevant spoilers. Although maybe give it a few days for everyone to catch their breath. For the broader implications of what we've seen, we have this thread.

When I said relevant, I was thinking of points in Ultron that might be directly mentioned in an AOS episode. (Either tomorrow's or next week.)

Specifically, the show itself spoiling parts of the movie. That would all be considered fair game in this thread, right?

 

[Alidar Jarok]

But you have to be able to talk about the two when it's impossible not to talk about the two together. There was no point talking about Hydra or the fall of the Triskellion in the Agents of SHIELD thread because those were spoiled on the show and were relevant to the discussion. On the other hand, if you wanted to talk about how Bucky Barnes was the Winter Solider, you had to put that in spoiler code. The same rule applies here.

ETA: Ninja'd. I think Kitik and I are in agreement.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Would it be easier to do Medusa's hair with claymation than cgi?

 

[kitik]

ETA: Ninja'd.

You mean "Skye'd"

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Hand'd?

 

[Morpheus 02]

ETA: Ninja'd.

You mean "Skye'd"

Hand'd?

May'd