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Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)

The problem with the Initiative (in comics) was that it is the Draft.

There are stern consequences for ignoring the Draft.

Of course, the Index was already quite Soviet, although Coulson said that there were not that many "people" on the Index.
 
I haven't looked at the spoilers until today since I just saw AoU.
So are we debating whether or not Theta Protocol is the Helicarrieer or the New Avengers facility or is it just new Avengers facility? I'm leaning more towards the Helicarrier myself. I had assumed the Fury's friends who helped him Coulson and Hill.
 
I'm leaning towards neither. I really think it was just ordering the Avengers to assemble.
 
All along I was assuming the Ultron drones were already constructed prior to the movie beginning and would turn evil halfway through. So I was assuming the mystery cargo in Gonzalez' Helicarrier was going to be Ultron drones and the Theta Protocol was activating them. Now I have no clue what it could be. A mothballed Helicarrier or a facility with nobody in it doesn't make any sense and we already knew about the Index. Unless it's drafting all the superhumans they know of...

I was also shocked to learn in the movie that the Avengers have been working together for quite some time going on Hydra raids. You'd think they would have mentioned this in the tv show since this season has been all about going after Hydra! I was assuming they only meet for the second time ever in the movie.
 
All along I was assuming the Ultron drones were already constructed prior to the movie beginning and would turn evil halfway through. So I was assuming the mystery cargo in Gonzalez' Helicarrier was going to be Ultron drones and the Theta Protocol was activating them. Now I have no clue what it could be. A mothballed Helicarrier or a facility with nobody in it doesn't make any sense and we already knew about the Index. Unless it's drafting all the superhumans they know of...

I was also shocked to learn in the movie that the Avengers have been working together for quite some time going on Hydra raids. You'd think they would have mentioned this in the tv show since this season has been all about going after Hydra! I was assuming they only meet for the second time ever in the movie.

I think the Avengers were specifically conducting raids looking for the scepter.
 
I just saw the movie. Great stuff. I'll go back and read the spoiler code stuff tomorrow but before I saw the movie, I thought Theta protocol was just the Avengers but...

I'll have to do a rewatch but didn't May say he was traveling across the globe for it? Does AoS plan to have B-List Avengers on the show or something? With the New Avengers facility being in upstate New York, the only reason I see him traveling the globe is for membership but the movies might not acknowledge that. They already have a few. Maybe next season, Skye will be returning from the facility along with Mockingbird and Deathlok with Captain America training as certified Avengers.

And I like the fact the movie characters make it to the show. Sif, Maria Hill, Fury and now List. He's the new head and AoS is already dealing with him. I'm really enjoying the continuity.
 
You gotta put an equals sign after the word spoiler, and then after the equals sign, you can explain why the spoiller is a spoiler, or not. :)

Do you think that the cinematic Marvel Universe is ready for the Great Lakes Avengers?
 
I was thinking that, too. Even if they use the same model, couldn't they render at lower resolution for TV-- fewer iterations and texture detail and so on?
My understanding is that while you could create lower-detailed textures and map those onto the existing model, if you wanted to reduce the poly count you'd need to create a whole new model. You can't just say "hey, magically delete some random polys from this".

Not exactly. There are ways.
One trick is to essentially strip away layers of greeblies (which typically amount to the lion's share of any hight poly model of this sort) all down one side and just never "shoot" it from that angle. Same for loading textures. No point burning render time on something that's not going to be visible anyway.
Another is to render those greeblies as a separate file and just apply them as a texture/bump-map.

So long as the camera doesn't get too close, it shouldn't be all that noticeable.

As I said though, it's not just about polys, but texture-res and multi-sample passes as well. Plus of course the final pre-composite render for a TV show isn't likely to be much more than 1080p or 2k max. For a modern movie you're probably looking as something more along the lines of 8-16k which is obviously several orders of magnitude greater.
Yeah, my CGI experience is limited to fooling around with Poser and Bryce, but there are ways to increase and reduce the poly count, and other settings that reduce render time (t the expense of detail and resolution). I would think that they could use the same models for the TV show.
 
You're assuming that they can't render a slightly lower poly version of the mesh with cut-down texture res.
I was thinking that, too. Even if they use the same model, couldn't they render at lower resolution for TV-- fewer iterations and texture detail and so on?
My understanding is that while you could create lower-detailed textures and map those onto the existing model, if you wanted to reduce the poly count you'd need to create a whole new model. You can't just say "hey, magically delete some random polys from this".

I think you can do that, but that would mean deleting things from the mesh. Certain details, that could then be added back with textures.
For example, the inside of the helicarriers shown in TWS, the huge bulbs on the bottom. Those were modeled. You could TRY and achieve that with textures, but it would like very, very cheap.
 
Having seen AoU...

There's no reference to him (Coulson) at all. At least none that I saw. So for all we know they *do* know he's back from the dead, we just don't see it. It could have happened long before the movie starts. Who knows. It's not like there's a line of one them going "hey it's still a shame about ol' Coulson isn't it?"
I thought about AoS when fury said "some old friends helped me get her out of mothballs", but that's probably between Coulson and Hill. For a second, I thought the "Hacker faster than Ultron" was Skye until it was revealed it was Jarvis. Maybe in the next episode Skye gives him a hand.
I liked List's references to Strucker and the twins. But those were hardly a link to AoU. Does Loki's scepter figure into the movie too?

Most definitely yes. Pretty much everything in this episode is a prelude to the events in Age of Ultron.
Definitely. Seeing List at the start of the movie kinda made it feel like I was watching a continuation of AoS.

"...and the world will be changed forever."

Sorry, but I'm just not seeing how the movie will have the consequences that Raina promised. What am I missing?

Between all the lives lost during Hulks rampage (did he go cross country?), the lives lost when Ultron was creating copies at random facilities (killing those who engage him), and all the lives the Avengers didn't save at the end (buildings were collapsing while they were saving people, they probably didn't save everyone), not to forget Ultron was Tony's fault, this movie will have lasting repercussions.
Could this new Avengers Facility/Avengers Initiative as a replacement for S.H.I.E.L.D. be "Theta Protocol"? Coulson is gathering powered people seemingly to train them. The end of AOU shows Cap and Natasha training the next group of Avengers. Perhaps Coulson and crew will seek out more candidates and even assist in training some of them. Skye and Mike/Deathlock could be trained there. Cap/Natasha's group could be the "Graduate Level" training, whereas others would start off smaller.
I thought so too (and don't forget Mockingbird). The movies will probably hint it but the B-List Avengers will probably be AoS only.
The helicarrier should already have beds. I'd think that those probably are for...

...the new Avengers facility. But I didn't get a clear vibe from the movie that they're going to be recruiting and training a new army of enhanced types a la Xavier's school. It seems that the facility is their new HQ and it was evident that it had a decent-sized support staff.
I immediately thought of the X-Mansion as soon as I saw upstate New York. What makes me think they will be training the new enhanced is the fact that Coulson was traveling across the globe for Theta Protocol. I doubt he was just doing it for beds.
Oh no.

Theta protocol couldn't be as fricking simple as getting a Hellicarrier out of Mothballs?
Agreed. It's probably the facility, recruitment, and locating the scepter as well.
 
I think the Theta Protocol is about the new training facility. We know Coulson was traveling the world and that during this time he hooked up with DeathLock again. The projected displays from the Toolbox look a lot like personnel files, Fitz used it to find Coulson's laptop for Skyping.
Coulson turned the Toolbox over to Gonzolas unlocked, which to me means he had finished contacting and moving all the powered people to the new facility.
 
Did anyone notice that Skye called Raina Sonic the Hedgehog?

I thought it was funny. I can't read the spoilers yet, so even though the thread is harder to follow, thanks for posting them in spoiler code.
 
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