A change bigger than the Klingons...

[Roald]

I see it everywhere now, from here to Facebook, even to YT comment sections: yesterday’s trailer has set in a BIG change for DSC... the general opinion has shifted from ‘this is not Trek, Orville is better’ to ‘This looks incredible, can’t wait to see it!’.. for the first time, the haters seem to be in the minority..! I think this signals a major shift in how the general audience perceives DSC..! (With general audience I mean the internet community as a whole).

 

[Tuskin38]

The haters have always been the minority

 

[Tosk]

It's amazing the wonders you can do by walking back on some of the less-loved aspects of season 1. People are so desperate for better that it doesn't actually matter if it's good. New Coke.

 

[CorporalClegg]

It was already good.

 

[Lord Garth]

Another sign is to see how deep the detractors have to dig to make a point to say "It still sucks!" They won't deviate from their opinion ever, so you have to go by how far they have to reach.

 

[Roald]

The haters have always been the minority

I know, but based on what I saw on YT, IMDB, RT etc you’d think not a soul was loving this show

 

[Cyrus]

But be prepared to still hear the stupid fanwank criticism.

 

[Attentiveluke]

well lets see if the general audience/internet community are willing to pay for it...

 

[Apparition B5]

I've tentatively resubscribed to CBS All Access via Amazon Prime Video. I really like what I've seen from the two second season trailers thus far, but if I see any more gore or graphic violence like in the first season, I'll be gone again, and for good this time. I'm really, really tired of gore and/or graphic violence permeating television these days.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

well lets see if the general audience/internet community are willing to pay for it...

Of course they will, if only to bitch about having to pay for something in order to hate-watch it.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I see it everywhere now, from here to Facebook, even to YT comment sections: yesterday’s trailer has set in a BIG change for DSC... the general opinion has shifted from ‘this is not Trek, Orville is better’ to ‘This looks incredible, can’t wait to see it!’.. for the first time, the haters seem to be in the minority..! I think this signals a major shift in how the general audience perceives DSC..! (With general audience I mean the internet community as a whole).

Remember that casual fans don't bother talking about something they like 24/7. They watch, they enjoy, they move on. It's only us ultra hard-core fans who keep on, and the ones unhappy about it will be bitter forever, up against a few fans while the majority of viewers are watching the next thing.

 

[fireproof78]

How else will CBS know how wrong it is?

 

[Vger23]

The haters have always been the minority

This is correct. Their loud and obnoxious and incessantly repetitive nature make them appear far more numerous and organized than they really are.

Another sign is to see how deep the detractors have to dig to make a point to say "It still sucks!" They won't deviate from their opinion ever, so you have to go by how far they have to reach.

Supremely evident given that we've spent 18 hours primarily talking / arguing about fucking beards and haircuts. Think about that for a minute… A new trailer has broken that displays tons of information about where season two is heading. And yet we've allowed ourselves to be mis-directed into talking about beards and fucking haircuts. We spend too much time allowing ourselves to be mis-directed.

We fall hook, line and sinker for the routine constantly. The detractors grasp at straws (absolutely inane, stupid, irrelevant shit like the lighting levels on the bridge sets or the shape of the nacelles on the ships) and the supporters all come running like someone just threw a giant Christmas ham into the middle of a bunch of starving people.

The two or three posters who do it here constantly must be laughing their asses off!

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I thought for sure this was going to be another thread about Spock's beard and how it spits on Gene Roddenberry's space grave.

 

[Zod]

I see it everywhere now, from here to Facebook, even to YT comment sections: yesterday’s trailer has set in a BIG change for DSC... the general opinion has shifted from ‘this is not Trek, Orville is better’ to ‘This looks incredible, can’t wait to see it!’.. for the first time, the haters seem to be in the minority..! I think this signals a major shift in how the general audience perceives DSC..! (With general audience I mean the internet community as a whole).

The trailer they showed last night at comic con was great. Also this is a cast that is truly engaged and feel a responsibility toward the material. Those were some of what I took from it. They didn't even want the question period to end and wanted to keep going. I was sort of looking forward to season two before the panel, now I am at warp 9.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I thought for sure this was going to be another thread about Spock's beard and how it spits on Gene Roddenberry's space grave.

Perhaps Georgiou wasn't the only one that snuck over from the MU. I smell another S31 conspiracy!

 

[Scargate]

Why are people trying to rewrite history in this thread? The people who disliked Discovery disliked it MAINLY because they didn't consider it to be well written, believed it had a muddled plot, and thought it relied far too much on needless plot twists everyone guessed ahead of time. It lacked focus and good storytelling. The execution of ideas wasn't there. The general look of the Klingons or anything else didn't help matters. But people being positive of the show now who weren't previously show that people WANT to like this show. And any small change toward the better gives people hope it will be good.

It's fine if you enjoyed the writing, the storytelling, the plot... and the new visuals and inconsistencies that others were annoyed and frustrated by last season. But to say a minority found problems with the show and a vast majority loved it is ridiculous. They wouldn't be doing showrunner roulette and producer musical chairs and changing so much if that was the case. (Even giving Klingons hair is an insane compromise that's completely unexpected and shows someone is listening, and not just to some minority group of fans.)

I know this and other minor changes gives me hope that if they're going to fix something like that, then there's hope they're going to come back with far better writing and stories. And if they don't, people will have the same complaints about the quality of the storytelling like they had last time.

Showing the Enterprise crew in different uniforms, Klingons having hair and slightly less makeup, a lighter tone, not showing the spore drive at all are all things they didn't need to do, show, or change, but they did, and I think that's why people are hopeful at the moment. If Discovery starts spore driving around the universe an episode in, which is very likely given the set up in the trailer, then maybe people will start complaining again. But with the show making small steps here and there, there's at least some trust back that they'll find a reasonable way to end that tech by the end of the season.

 

[DaveyNY]

Why are people trying to rewrite history in this thread? The people who disliked Discovery disliked it MAINLY because they didn't consider it to be well written, believed it had a muddled plot, and thought it relied far too much on needless plot twists everyone guessed ahead of time. It lacked focus and good storytelling. The execution of ideas wasn't there. The general look of the Klingons or anything else didn't help matters. But people being positive of the show now who weren't previously show that people WANT to like this show. And any small change toward the better gives people hope it will be good.

It's fine if you enjoyed the writing, the storytelling, the plot... and the new visuals and inconsistencies that others were annoyed and frustrated by last season. But to say a minority found problems with the show and a vast majority loved it is ridiculous. They wouldn't be doing showrunner roulette and producer musical chairs and changing so much if that was the case. (Even giving Klingons hair is an insane compromise that's completely unexpected and shows someone is listening, and not just to some minority group of fans.)

I know this and other minor changes gives me hope that if they're going to fix something like that, then there's hope they're going to come back with far better writing and stories. And if they don't, people will have the same complaints about the quality of the storytelling like they had last time.

Showing the Enterprise crew in different uniforms, Klingons having hair and slightly less makeup, a lighter tone, not showing the spore drive at all are all things they didn't need to do, show, or change, but they did, and I think that's why people are hopeful at the moment. If Discovery starts spore driving around the universe an episode in, which is very likely given the set up in the trailer, then maybe people will start complaining again. But with the show making small steps here and there, there's at least some trust back that they'll find a reasonable way to end that tech by the end of the season.

Perhaps what/who ever the "Red Angel" turns out to be, it becomes the reason the Spore Drive is eliminated?

 

[tomalak301]

You know it's interesting I just did a rewatch of the Orville and I actually found I liked my rewatch of Discovery better. I'm not sure if that speaks to the quality if the shows but I still contend the more time away from the original premiere the better a show gets. I think that's what happened with Discovery. I saw things in Discovery I appreciated more, while the Kelley/Ed stuff felt repetitive.

I still like both shows for what they are but I think the comparison if both have become distracting and kind of tired. Both shows bring something to the table that everyone can enjoy.

 

[CorporalClegg]

It's fine if you enjoyed the writing, the storytelling, the plot... and the new visuals and inconsistencies that others were annoyed and frustrated by last season. But to say a minority found problems with the show and a vast majority loved it is ridiculous. They wouldn't be doing showrunner roulette and producer musical chairs and changing so much if that was the case. (Even giving Klingons hair is an insane compromise that's completely unexpected and shows someone is listening, and not just to some minority group of fans.)

Nope.