6.5X011 The God Complex (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)
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Awesome episode. My second favorite episode of this series. Toby Whithouse is now one of my fav writers, and yes I too think that he saw fallen companions that had faith in him whom he lost or had to leave behind (like Rose or Donna for instance).
I'd like him to have seen himself. We know from "Amy's Choice" that he hates himself, and if he draws his strength from his companions, it's because he knows he needs them to stay sane. The Doctor on his own is dangerous, and a little scary.
Not to say that's what they'll do, mind you, but it's one possibility.
That Amy should stop wearing those short skirts on glass floors.
that too, but the Doctor should also look into spell check, no reason I mention that, just something ive been thinking about recently.That Amy should stop wearing those short skirts on glass floors.
That was tremendous. I'm with the folks who felt the first half dragged but that the second half moved along nicely. And the ending was very much out of left field! That makes series 7 all the more intriguing.
This is the same apartment that Amy and Rory were living in at the beginning of series 6 in "The Impossible Astronaut", right?
And I need a little bit of clarification. The Doctor realizes he has to in essence destroy Amy's faith in him. I'm not sure I understand why then he called her "Amy Williams".
This is the same apartment that Amy and Rory were living in at the beginning of series 6 in "The Impossible Astronaut", right?
And I need a little bit of clarification. The Doctor realizes he has to in essence destroy Amy's faith in him. I'm not sure I understand why then he called her "Amy Williams".
No, comparisons of the door and frame between this and that shown in TIA make it pretty clear this wasn't the same home. My guess is that Amy and Rory were renting in TIA, but this new home was bought for the happy couple by a charming eccentric named John Smith.
I think he was emphasizing the idea that her life had moved on. She belonged with Rory, as his wife, and not as "Amy Pond, time traveling companion to the Doctor, who will always be there for her." That was sort of the subtext of the Mr. and Ms. Pond joke at the end of last season, that she always gets her way and has both her guys romping through time and space. He changed her name because it's time to give that up.
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^^ Beat me to it...."It's time we saw each other as we really are...Amy Williams."
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Look at you Glorious Pond, the girl who waited for me.
I'm not a hero, I really am just a madman in a box.
It's time we saw each other as we really are...Amy Williams.
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Look at you Glorious Pond, the girl who waited for me.
I'm not a hero, I really am just a madman in a box.
It's time we saw each other as we really are...Amy Williams.
Because it's time for her to grow up and put away childish things, like faith in the Doctor.
Two right heart-tuggers in a row. The next one should be a romp, despite the presence of the old enemy.
As for the name, I am guessing it is for her to start growing up and acknowledging the new place she is in life. I think it was also the Doctor facing up to Amy's growing up as well. The switching between childhood Amy and adult Amy seemed as much him letting her go as her not seeing him as a magical all powerful character, which was something the old Amy ranted on in 'The Girl Who Waited'. That would fit in with the Doctor when looking to the house that a whole new adventure lay there.
Last week I had a hard time figuring out what episode was the best. Of the best among fandom, Doctor's Wife and The Girl who Waited, I didn't have the same "OMG" emotions as others did. However, I think the episode that aired tonight might be the number one contender for best of the season.
This is the type of episode that made me like Doctor Who in the first place, a chilling, gripping story with a monster who could be understood but not mindless, which leads to self reflection on the characters. I was involved in this episode from the start to the finish and the final scene was sad, probably sadder than last week's final scene because this was "our" Amy. I don't know how permanent this is, but we're saying goodbye to two companions we have watched grow in a little under 2 seasons and the episode itself was a nice bookend to make that possible. I loved the revelation that it wasn't fear that was the trigger afterall, but faith and how it just tied all the way back to "Eleventh Hour" and the Doctor's relationship with Amy.
I wonder what to expect with the final two episodes of the season now that Amy and Rory won't be there. If I didn't know the number of episodes this season had, I would have thought this was the season finale. I think for the second time (The first was when I watched the final three episodes of the first half back to back to back to really get the story) this season, I'm excited about the series again.
This is the type of episode that made me like Doctor Who in the first place, a chilling, gripping story with a monster who could be understood but not mindless, which leads to self reflection on the characters. I was involved in this episode from the start to the finish and the final scene was sad, probably sadder than last week's final scene because this was "our" Amy. I don't know how permanent this is, but we're saying goodbye to two companions we have watched grow in a little under 2 seasons and the episode itself was a nice bookend to make that possible. I loved the revelation that it wasn't fear that was the trigger afterall, but faith and how it just tied all the way back to "Eleventh Hour" and the Doctor's relationship with Amy.
I wonder what to expect with the final two episodes of the season now that Amy and Rory won't be there. If I didn't know the number of episodes this season had, I would have thought this was the season finale. I think for the second time (The first was when I watched the final three episodes of the first half back to back to back to really get the story) this season, I'm excited about the series again.
"Of course... who else?"
It didn't seem to work on him, though. He obviously didn't start worshipping the Mine-o-taur. He was more grimly amused by what he found. I imagined it to be him at the moment he ended the Time War, since it would've been the time he was at his lowest point, and when he would've had to call upon all of his strength to carry on.
But then, since it didn't affect him, maybe it wasn't even his room. No, that's stupid, they made a big deal out of it. I expect they'll come back to it later.
With all do respect Mr Gatiss, THAT is how you do scary. If Night Terrors had gone with more slightly wierd imagery and camer aangles, it would have been a lot more effective.
Anyway, I said the hell with it and gave it the highest rating. Really a shame about Rita though. She would have made a lovely companion. And a muslim too. *gasp* Would have been a lovely oportunity for the show to help counter the negative press they get (much like RTD did with gay people).
And yes, I sqee'ed at the Nimon refererence.
As for the music, hell they've always reused themes. So I really didn't notice.
Anyway, I said the hell with it and gave it the highest rating. Really a shame about Rita though. She would have made a lovely companion. And a muslim too. *gasp* Would have been a lovely oportunity for the show to help counter the negative press they get (much like RTD did with gay people).
And yes, I sqee'ed at the Nimon refererence.
As for the music, hell they've always reused themes. So I really didn't notice.
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On a meta level, does Amy represent the fans? The ones who first met him as children and "waited" for him to return?
That occurred to me when he was telling her she had to grow up.
And I am appalled that a distant cousin of the Nimon showed up and no one talked about their dreams of conquest.
That occurred to me when he was telling her she had to grow up.
And I am appalled that a distant cousin of the Nimon showed up and no one talked about their dreams of conquest.
"Don't have the luxury of time ..."?
"DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF TIME ..."?!
THIS is a Doctor Who forum, Neroon! We ALWAYS have the luxury of time!
Well ... we would in a perfect world, anyway.
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