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32X13 The Wedding of River Song (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS

What did you think of "The Wedding of River Song"?


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Damn it, my vid-stream dropped just as they revealed how how he survived. Spoilers please.

I enjoyed the ep more than I thought I would. And "The Question" was exactly what I thought it was going to be. Felt bad for the Doc most of the episode, and River's final gift with the beacon was nice. The Doc and River's wedding ceremony was a nice, wonder if it was Gallifrey type wedding (handfastening all that) or just something the Doc winged.
 
Damn it, my vid-stream dropped just as they revealed how how he survived. Spoilers please.

I enjoyed the ep more than I thought I would. And "The Question" was exactly what I thought it was going to be. Felt bad for the Doc most of the episode, and River's final gift with the beacon was nice. The Doc and River's wedding ceremony was a nice, wonder if it was Gallifrey type wedding (handfastening all that) or just something the Doc winged.
He got the little people to build a robot version of the doctor.
which he was inside of when he got shot.
 
Bwah-ha-ha-ha! Even a Ganger would have been less of a Cop Out because at least that way there'd have been some sacrifice involved.

And does anyone not think that The Question nonsense will now be dragged out until Matt's final episode on Saturday the 23rd of November 2013?
 
I voted "good" the first time I have no voted excellent to a series finale but just because it wasn't quite as epic as I hoped and I really feel Moffat could of made a 2 parter out of the story. However it was cool to see so many old characters and the phone call scene was a lovely touch. How he escaped was a nice touch and the people who complain about RTD cop outs when he has to resolve his stories, should be more happy with the more low key way out. We also know the 11th will fall in the future on the battlfields of that place beginning with p (whatever its called) and I love the ending...

DOCTOR WHO?

Moffat got a story arc it seems to last his entire tenure which looks to end in 2013 during the 50th birthday and I look forward to more Silence and the question leading to the fall of 11.
 
Well, having spent the entire week catching up with this 6th/32nd/whatever season/series I found that wholly underwhelming.

Moffat clearly painted himself into a corner with the premier and ended up using a trick to get himself out of it. WHOlly unsatisfying.

Apologies.

And yet, for all of the daft plotting and meshed-timestream-character-pop-ups the thing that really sunk it for me was, well, it was just pedestrian. If you're going to play with silly games, MAKE IT SILLY AND FUN! The finale last year was a hell of a mess, yet I recall laughing and titting throughout. This one barely cracked a smile.

Well, Mother-In-Law-Amelia's reaction to her title raised a little chuckle. Titter even.

In the grand scheme of things I think this season/series was stronger than the last, but hampered by Moffat's "Vision" somewhat. Still, I can watch this Doc, Rory and Amy all day long as they bounce of one-another, so all is not lost.

Oh, right... yeah, going to have to do some work with the companion(s) next year if the rumours are true.

Still, better than pretty much anything that runs at this time of night on the telly, so I really shouldn't grumble too much.

So a bit of Sherlock to fill the gap until the Christmas special. I can live with that. He does know how to cast a show at least! :D

Hugo - thinks Sherlock might actually be Moffat's superior show. /ducks and weaves tittering
 
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That was great! This feels much more how a Doctor Who finale should be than the over the top grand battle finales of the RTD-era. It's also a nice intro to the 50th anniversary. To have the title as a new plot can't be coincidence. I hope they will continue with this level of silliness in the next season, like the mice eating skulls and the teselecta.

I wonder who is getting married in the next season? :p
 
Fast and fun, worked pretty well.

Where were all these surprise guest stars that were meant to be in it?

Anyway, yeah, worked well, though I have two problems that kind of soured it a bit for me both minor, one relating to the way the arc was pitched to us, and one relating to the future, and which I sincerely hope will be quickly forgotten and never addressed again.

No, not to the little handfasting - not legally binding, and it's clearly a one-way relationship, and it made some sense that it was the only way to short them out.

Vinegar in the milk 1: I don't mind that it was the middle option of the three ways offered this season to pull a switcheroo on the Dead Doc, but... It means Moff did not play by the rules he'd set up for the game. "one of these people really dies forever." "yes sir, that is most certainly the Doctor, and he is most certainly dead." - except it's a robot, so it's not dead. Never alive, and all that. And how did it start to regenerate in TIA?

Now, yes, Moff lies, it's part of the job - but it's also part of the job of creating a mystery that you set rules and play fair by them - it's only fair to the audience. Had it been a ganger-Doc, at least it would have been as real as the original, and really dead. Had it been an out of time Doc, it would have been genuine and really dead (and much cleverer, cos we know Moff's good at that stuff). Robot - no.

Vinegar in the milk 2: The Question. The obvious predictable one. "Doctor Who?" The problem here is that when answers to that start flying about, it a) cheapens the character, and usually also b) necessitates retconning whatever the answer was last time. Worse still, when you start planning to look into that as an arc, you get the Cartmel "Masterplan" and Silly fucking Nemesis. I've an idea about asking and answering the question: Let's not, and say we did. Between seasons, while everyone was watching Merlin instead.

Technically there's also a vinegar in the milk 3: Doesn't this mean that actually Kovarian and the Silence are still out there in their church, going "hey, have we seen that Doctor bloke lately? It's like he's on vacation or something" and trying to remember why they locked up River for doing the thing they created her to do in the first place.

Oh, let's make it 4 - how come time stopped when the Doctor didn't die, when, as it turned out, he didn't dire anyway, it was just a robot? WTF? Did that make any sense?

I *suspect* that what happened was 1) the Doctor really died, 2) River went back and changed it, and 3) the Doctor changed it again, but more subtly. But what was the means by which time decided he was dead or alive...? I mean how could it tell, or not, the difference?

No, makes no fucking sense at all!

Anyway, mostly very fun and totally nonsensical episode. 8/10

Overall it's been an odd season - the individual episodes have been good, but the arc hasn't worked, hampered by both not adding layers of development as it went on, and by being booted in the nuts by the midseason break. Frankly, you could have run TIA, DOTM, AGMGTW, LKH and this episode as one half of the season, and picked a different arc for the other half, and they would both have been more coherent. And that's what they should do next year - if there's a midseason break, run two separate mini-arcs, not one that we'll lose interest in while the show's off-air.
 
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That was great! This feels much more how a Doctor Who finale should be than the over the top grand battle finales of the RTD-era.

At least they happened and (with one exception) weren't undone by hitting the Reset Button they bought from Voyager.

Two for two Moffat. Two for two.
 
Meh.

Liked the idea/sfx of time happening all at once, the Churchill story-framing device, Amys reaction to being a mother in law and River showing the Doctor how much the universe loved/needed him.

The rest was weak. Moffat after spending the season telling us it really was the Doctor who dies, not a clone or copy, killed a copy. (Rule 1: the producer lies). Amys commiting murder and dealing with it opens possibilities of a storyline for her, but not if she really has left (Unless the whole point was to prove a link between her and River). The mult-season arc is now getting to X-file levels of silliness, which means the one-off episodes are going to have to carry the series as far as my interest goes.

In all an uneven end to an uneven season (Better luck next year).
 
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That was great! This feels much more how a Doctor Who finale should be than the over the top grand battle finales of the RTD-era.

At least they happened and (with one exception) weren't undone by hitting the Reset Button they bought from Voyager.

Two for two Moffat. Two for two.

'The Big Bang' and 'Last of the Time Lords' ended with a reset button. 'The Wedding of River Song' didn't. What we saw in 'The Impossible Astronaut' is exactly what happened in the finale. Nothing changed.
 
Vinegar in the milk 1: I don't mind that it was the middle option of the three ways offered this season to pull a switcheroo on the Dead Doc, but... It means Moff did not play by the rules he'd set up for the game. "one of these people really dies forever." "yes sir, that is most certainly the Doctor, and he is most certainly dead." - except it's a robot, so it's not dead. Never alive, and all that. And how did it start to regenerate in TIA?

Well that depends how the Doctor presents himself from now on. If he is really serious in pretending he is dead he might stop calling himself the Doctor. In a sense the Doctor ceases to exist. It is cheating though. Just like that fake regeneration energy. Fireworks probably.
 
Here's my question: If the Doctor's death is a "fixed point" and all sort of bad temporal voodoo goes down if he survives, wouldn't that mean he'd have to actually die, not just die on paper? Cause the minute he pops up after his death, people are going to know that he's not dead.
 
'The Big Bang' and 'Last of the Time Lords' ended with a reset button. 'The Wedding of River Song' didn't. What we saw in 'The Impossible Astronaut' is exactly what happened in the finale. Nothing changed.

Most of the episode took place in a Universe that was reset. Kovarian is still alive. The Silence are still out there.

And how exactly does a robot start to Regenerate?
 
Well that depends how the Doctor presents himself from now on. If he is really serious in pretending he is dead he might stop calling himself the Doctor. In a sense the Doctor ceases to exist.

You really think that for as long as the series continues (which will hopefully be long after Moffat buggers off) the Doctor won't be calling himself the Doctor or involved in any stories in which he saves planets/galaxies/universes?

It'll be forgotten as quickly as they forgot about the Doctor needing the Randomiser to prevent the Black Guardian finding him back in the 70's.
 
Well that was a disappointing end to a disappointing series. Not really going to say much else about that.
 
'The Big Bang' and 'Last of the Time Lords' ended with a reset button. 'The Wedding of River Song' didn't. What we saw in 'The Impossible Astronaut' is exactly what happened in the finale. Nothing changed.

Most of the episode took place in a Universe that was reset. Kovarian is still alive. The Silence are still out there.

And how exactly does a robot start to Regenerate?

Holograms.
 
'The Big Bang' and 'Last of the Time Lords' ended with a reset button. 'The Wedding of River Song' didn't. What we saw in 'The Impossible Astronaut' is exactly what happened in the finale. Nothing changed.

Most of the episode took place in a Universe that was reset. Kovarian is still alive. The Silence are still out there.

And how exactly does a robot start to Regenerate?

What happened in that Universe still happened. Amy remembers killing Kovarian ans so does River. Kovarian must remember being betrayed by the Silence. That has to have a consequence.

And the Teselecta didn't regenerate. The Doctor planned to fake his death, so he must also have faked his regeneration with some fancy fireworks.
 
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