32X13 The Wedding of River Song (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS
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No bloody A, B, C or D.
Yeah, it's the finale. Let's talk about, pop music... I mean, let's talk about it for a week. Last new one we get for a bit. If the worst thing that happens to you this week is someone started a thread earlier than you'd have liked, I'd say you had a damn good week.
"5 It does answer a lot of questions, but some old ones (from Matt Smith’s first series) are still left open"
Well, the only big one left that I can think of is "Who blew up the TARDIS?" (And it wasn't The Silence because if they could do that they wouldn't have needed to set up their needlessly complicated Melody/River Plan.)
Well, the only big one left that I can think of is "Who blew up the TARDIS?" (And it wasn't The Silence because if they could do that they wouldn't have needed to set up their needlessly complicated Melody/River Plan.)
I find lately it seems not so much that episodes are bad but that it feels like there's so much untapped potential, that it could be even more, and that is frustrating. I'm not sure if that's due to unrealistic expectations on my part or actual failings in the material.
Unless the BBC has lost their collective marbles, we can safely assume that they'll be a time-whimey rewrite of history that'll some how save the doctor.
My going theories:
And remember rule #1: The Doctor lies.
Boooo! Get Off the Stage!
My going theories:
-- Ganger Doctor. Be a cop out, it'll piss off the fans, but it's there as the out. It's "really the doctor" but not.
-- Regeneration, but this time the Doc keeps his Matt Smith body.
-- River Song is the Doctor. She didn't use up all her lives, and she directed her last regeneration into the form of the doctor in order to save his life by having her kill herself.
-- Regeneration, but this time the Doc keeps his Matt Smith body.
-- River Song is the Doctor. She didn't use up all her lives, and she directed her last regeneration into the form of the doctor in order to save his life by having her kill herself.
And remember rule #1: The Doctor lies.
Boooo! Get Off the Stage!
Seems perfectly sensible to have an early thread to me. Plenty to speculate on, but at this point I only want two things:
To see how the Doctor sticks his fingers up at death, and what his plan is after doing so
Some sort of explanation as to the needlessly-convoluted Silence/River plot. Yeah, I like the 'breed a Time Lord to fight a Time Lord' aspect... but raising her in 1960s America? Letting her grow up with her parents? Engineering it so she commits the killing blow dressed up as an astronaut in 2011 America after walking out of a lake... after letting her live in the 51st century and get up to all sorts of japes? I mean, why!? Just shoot him if you're going to shoot him!!!
Moffat, do your worst!
EDIT: also, I'd rather talk about this than the sub-SJA rubbish we got on the weekend.
To see how the Doctor sticks his fingers up at death, and what his plan is after doing so
Some sort of explanation as to the needlessly-convoluted Silence/River plot. Yeah, I like the 'breed a Time Lord to fight a Time Lord' aspect... but raising her in 1960s America? Letting her grow up with her parents? Engineering it so she commits the killing blow dressed up as an astronaut in 2011 America after walking out of a lake... after letting her live in the 51st century and get up to all sorts of japes? I mean, why!? Just shoot him if you're going to shoot him!!!
Moffat, do your worst!
EDIT: also, I'd rather talk about this than the sub-SJA rubbish we got on the weekend.
Oh, don't say that. He just might. And not in a good way.
I said this in the other thread but:
I'm really having a hard time beleiving that The Doctor in Closing Time (and this episode) is 200 years older than the one in the God Complex.
Yes, I know he is suppose to physically age slower but that slow? In the SOD/LOTTL the Master first ages the doctor hundred years and he looks really old, then 900 years to look like Dobby. Also the first Doctor went from baby to old man in less than 450 years before regenerating. It just seems off. Also the Doctor in 200 years had no companion since he was still talking about how he puts them at risk with Craig etc. There was not single thing in Closing Time to indicate he has been traveling for 200 year alone, beyond him mentioning a farewell tour.
I think the Doctor was lieing about his age being 1103 at the lake, not sure why.
I'm really having a hard time beleiving that The Doctor in Closing Time (and this episode) is 200 years older than the one in the God Complex.
Yes, I know he is suppose to physically age slower but that slow? In the SOD/LOTTL the Master first ages the doctor hundred years and he looks really old, then 900 years to look like Dobby. Also the first Doctor went from baby to old man in less than 450 years before regenerating. It just seems off. Also the Doctor in 200 years had no companion since he was still talking about how he puts them at risk with Craig etc. There was not single thing in Closing Time to indicate he has been traveling for 200 year alone, beyond him mentioning a farewell tour.
I think the Doctor was lieing about his age being 1103 at the lake, not sure why.
The Doctor has obviously aged in the same body between stories a few times before and it's never shown or made noticable. How else could he have gotten to the age he is?
So he is 907, it took the 1st doctor 450 years to get from birth to an old man, thats half his life right there. The other 10 doctors combined took another 457 years.
So slow aging or not, Doctor 11 that looks 30 should at least look almost 40 to 50. The only thing i can think of is he has regenrated 10 times, that maybe some of the regeneration energy keeps his body at that age, where as the first Doctor had no regenerative energy during his life span until it kicked in the the first time when he finally regenerated into the 2nd Doctor.
Wibbly-wobbly agey-wagey. "Time is not the boss of me."
Well, the Fourth Doctor forgot how old he was, so I don't think anyone knows after that point. He clearly, at some point, decided to pick an age to start counting from again.
So did my grandma. Pretty common.
Yeah, that sounds about right. I haven't enjoyed any of the River/Silence episodes up to this point, so I have a feeling I'm going to be falling on the annoyed side. I just hope everything is wrapped up and we get a clean slate for next year.
I liked the idea of extending the mystery of the Silence into this year back at the end of series 5, but that was when I fully expected that series 6 would actually deal with the questions left over. Instead, they've gotten sidetracked into this whole new arc involving the Silence that doesn't really relate to series 5's at all apart from it involving the Doctor. Now I'm worried that Moffat is just going to drop the whole "Tardis blows up and destroys the universe" mystery because he can't think of a way to answer it in a satisfactory manner.
I just need some assurance in this episode that he's got a plan for it.
While I'd prefer 6x12, I can accept 32x12. Anything but .5 season.
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