Spoilers 31st/32nd Century Ships Revealed

[Agony_Boothb]

I think what he meant was, why would Tilly be aware of letter suffixes that denote a certain amount of instances that a ship name has been used, unless that practice was going on in Starfleet decades before the Enterprise-A was built. Which seems to be the case if the Tikhov is any indication. And on that note...

The dialogue indicates that this specific USS Tikhov is a 23rd century vessel that Burnham was aware of, and that still exists 900 years later. Except it looks far more like a 32nd century ship inside and out (especially with its detached nacelles), and the registry seems to indicate that it's the 14th ship with that name. But then both Burnham and Nhan magically know how to operate its 'futuristic' controls. Not to mention that there's a large discrepancy in the actual size of the ship. When it's in the tractor beam, it appears as large as a shuttlecraft, but when we see an exterior shot of people through the ship's windows, it looks to be at least 30 to 50 meters long. And the amount of space inside the ship appears to be a heck of a lot more than a shuttle. The whole sequence with that ship just made zero sense to me.

Remember that burnham has had a year of exposure to 32nd century tech, she probably has a general gist of the controls or perhaps lieutenant willa briefed them on what to do. Either way how many times have we seen crews go onto to completely alien vessels and work out the controls instantaneously. I don't think it was any more egregious here than in previous situations.

 

[Dukhat]

Remember that burnham has had a year of exposure to 32nd century tech, she probably has a general gist of the controls or perhaps lieutenant willa briefed them on what to do. Either way how many times have we seen crews go onto to completely alien vessels and work out the controls instantaneously. I don't think it was any more egregious here than in previous situations.

It was egregious to me because of what I said earlier about there being a discrepancy between the apparent age of the ship and what we actually saw.

 

[Nerys Myk]

We saw Detmer using programable matter controls in the "this season on..." trailer. Presumably on Book's ship, but it makes me wonder if the Disco will get a PM upgrade. ( Who am I kidding, it will )

 

[Tuskin38]

We saw Detmer using programable matter controls in the "this season on..." trailer. Presumably on Book's ship, but it makes me wonder if the Disco will get a PM upgrade. ( Who am I kidding, it will )

We see Detmer flying Book's ship in a trailer too. Or at least one with a similar view screen.

 

[XCV330]

We see Detmer flying Book's ship in a trailer too. Or at least one with a similar view screen.

she needs a break from flying her normal monster. I kind of felt bad for her when I realized she's an ace pilot and doesn't really like flying Discovery. It would be like putting Mario Andretti behind the wheel of a dump truck.

 

[Galaxy]

Voyager-J too in a nod to her captain

I had missed that connection. Thanks.

 

[Tuskin38]

I kind of felt bad for her when I realized she's an ace pilot and doesn't really like flying Discovery.

I never got that impression.

 

[yenny]

It looks more like an NX Class than a Connie from above.

I kind of agree with you. I thought that the USS.Constitution, and USS. Armstrong look like the NX class starship and a fan made starship class, which start with the letter A.

 

[Galaxy]

Do you think someone from the year 1120 would automatically know how to operate technology from 2020? Or someone from 2020 knowing how to operate technology from an alien species? It might as well be the same thing.

They could probably figure out the purpose of an automobil fairly quickly, and learn how to drive it. Repair no.

 

[Imaus]

Names are all over the place.

Even before DIS, there were numerous Intrepids, Challengers, Constellations, Endeavours, Farraguts, and so on.

Now there's a Constitution, without a -A or -B or whatever, a Armstrong - and I really doubt it took until 3189 to get to Neil Armstrong - while the Voyager is in its -J and there's a -M.

Furthermore, there's a Nog, no supplementary letter, it takes this long to get a ship about the first Ferengi officer in Starfleet? Not something in the 2400s or 2500s?

Where does the -A, -B, -C, thing come from, anyway? Or even -II, -III, -2, -3, etc? I don't see much of it in our reality. Enterprise, Enterprise, and Enterprise are denoted by CV-6, CVN-65, CVN-80, for example. Dreadnought doesn't even get that until S101 and whatever the new one gets. I don't hate it, mind, just interested.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Names are all over the place.

Even before DIS, there were numerous Intrepids, Challengers, Constellations, Endeavours, Farraguts, and so on.

Now there's a Constitution, without a -A or -B or whatever, a Armstrong - and I really doubt it took until 3189 to get to Neil Armstrong - while the Voyager is in its -J and there's a -M.

Furthermore, there's a Nog, no supplementary letter, it takes this long to get a ship about the first Ferengi officer in Starfleet? Not something in the 2400s or 2500s?

Where does the -A, -B, -C, thing come from, anyway? Or even -II, -III, -2, -3, etc? I don't see much of it in our reality. Enterprise, Enterprise, and Enterprise are denoted by CV-6, CVN-65, CVN-80, for example. Dreadnought doesn't even get that until S101 and whatever the new one gets. I don't hate it, mind, just interested.

The letters are only added when they use the same registry number.(NCC 1701-A) Could be twenty Nogs before the one we saw at Federation HQ, all with unique registry numbers.

 

[thribs]

I wish the show was better at showing the ships. Unless this is just a tease and we will see them better later on but I doubt it.
The “J” could be a reference to Janeway but I took it as a reference to the Enterprise-J. A futuristic Enterprise that we know very little of.

 

[Saul]

J is the 10th letter of the alphabet. Plus one with out a letter suffix you get 11.

I think what he meant was, why would Tilly be aware of letter suffixes that denote a certain amount of instances that a ship name has been used, unless that practice was going on in Starfleet decades before the Enterprise-A was built.

Yes, thank you. That and the fact that we have seen ships of the same name without the lettering system such as the Defiant so it could be more than 10 generations of a Starship.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yes, thank you. That and the fact that we have seen ships of the same name without the lettering system such as the Defiant so it could be more than 10 generations of a Starship.

Just a guess on Tilly's part.

 

[Saul]

Just a guess on Tilly's part.

Which is what I said in my original post. She must have taken a guess and there must have been a ship called Voyager in her time.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Which is what I said in my original post. She must have taken a guess and there must have been a ship called Voyager in her time.

Mostly just fan service.

 

[XCV330]

I wish the show was better at showing the ships. Unless this is just a tease and we will see them better later on but I doubt it.
The “J” could be a reference to Janeway but I took it as a reference to the Enterprise-J. A futuristic Enterprise that we know very little of.

You're never happy about anything. They devoted a good fraction of the show to ship porn. But it wasn't enough. If they'd shown a second less you'd complain about that. Have you ever had a single non-negative thing to say about anything?

Names are all over the place.

Even before DIS, there were numerous Intrepids, Challengers, Constellations, Endeavours, Farraguts, and so on.

Now there's a Constitution, without a -A or -B or whatever, a Armstrong - and I really doubt it took until 3189 to get to Neil Armstrong - while the Voyager is in its -J and there's a -M.

Furthermore, there's a Nog, no supplementary letter, it takes this long to get a ship about the first Ferengi officer in Starfleet? Not something in the 2400s or 2500s?

Where does the -A, -B, -C, thing come from, anyway? Or even -II, -III, -2, -3, etc? I don't see much of it in our reality. Enterprise, Enterprise, and Enterprise are denoted by CV-6, CVN-65, CVN-80, for example. Dreadnought doesn't even get that until S101 and whatever the new one gets. I don't hate it, mind, just interested.

As you say, the Intrepids never got one. If there's an equivalent Prime universe version of the Armstrong (NCC-1769) in the Kelvin verse, it didn't get a letter suffix either. Not many ships get them, but apparently but some do. It must be an honorific awarded for some particularly historic thing that ship did. And once they start getting the suffix, it doesn't apparently get taken away. Defiant went through a couple and then somehow reused one without a suffix at all when the Sao Paulo was renamed. The next Discovery didn't get a letter suffix, either.


As far as the Nog goes, its possible there have been multiple Nogs but they never got suffix modifiers, either. It doesn't look like they're building a lot of new ships. I suspect what few they have have been in service for quite awhile. Maybe most of them were in drydock or mothballed at the time of the Burn.

They should stop naming ships after early astronauts and cosmonauts. It's apparently unlucky.
Grissom, Armstrong (Kelvin), Gagarin, Glenn

 

[Timo]

To me, the dialogue makes it pretty clear that the ship Burnham was referring to, and the ship they find, was supposed to be one and the same.

But the dialogue only touches upon Burnham's side of things. So the likely scenario is that she did hold that belief - but was (gasp!) wrong!

Which one of us won't take secret delight in that? Alas, she'd learn the truth off camera, before the mission gets going for real, so we miss out on her humiliation.

Having a mere seed vault (potentially even a sister ship to the Discovery, an old warhorse converted to a flying conservatory when others got turned into flying labs or flying hospitals or theaters or whatnot) endure for a thousand years might not be implausible to Burnham. It's the classic concept of putting old, rotting ships to practical use as hulks, only combined with the fact that in space, nobody can hear you rust. And for all we know, the original NCC-1067 did float out there for several centuries before Starfleet decided that something more mobile would be preferable, for unknown reasons.

As for the scaling issues, I guess stowage might be a prime application for TARDIS tech. The Doctor doesn't really need a control booth that is bigger than his police booth - but his wardrobe and garage do call for the extra space.

The scene with Nhan at the window doesn't make me worry about scaling issues as much as it does about the ships being in the wrong places relatively speaking. Why let them drift apart like that when the seed vault is unresponsive and in the habit of drifting into ion storms all? But what really caught my attention was the use of TOS starstreaks in the standstill VFX: we see lots and lots of those fuzzy white dots flowing from left to right just as in TOS high speed travel.

What is their dramatic function here? Nobody wants to convey movement, practically or symbolically. Nhan becoming static is the point.

Are they perhaps an indication of the proximity of the ion storm? The heroes did appear to choose to remain right next to that one, after completing the tractor tow.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[F. King Daniel]

The way I understood it, Starfleet recycles a set of ship names (Intrepid, Constitution, Enterprise, Defiant etc) for every generation of starship. But the REALLY famous ships are, on a case-by-case basis, given the same number as the original famous ship with a letter suffix added.

The "case by case" bit explains why it was Enterprise NCC-1701 and not Enterprise NX-01-A, or why the new Defiant at the very end of DS9 kept the number of the original with no changes or letters (real life reason: Stock footage) etc.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

We see Detmer flying Book's ship in a trailer too. Or at least one with a similar view screen.

That will be her come back moment. They are clearly doing a Top Gun story for her