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Spoilers 31st/32nd Century Ships Revealed

I have no problem with Tilly deducing that there are at least ten generations of starships there.

What I do have a problem with:

1) Tilly seems to think this is a big deal. Her own Starfleet has existed for about a century; has there only been a single generation of starships in that time, to make ten per a thousand years seem impressive?
2) Tilly seems to devote considerable mental effort to arriving at this figure. As in, "I can calculate the properties of dark matter asteroids in my head, but how manieth letter of the alphabet was this J again...?"!

Timo Saloniemi

If it's actually 11 (as Owo corrected), it means they broke a cardinal rule of alpha-numeric listing and used a capital " I " :lol:
 
2) Tilly seems to devote considerable mental effort to arriving at this figure. As in, "I can calculate the properties of dark matter asteroids in my head, but how manieth letter of the alphabet was this J again...?"!

Timo Saloniemi
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It's implied as the Constitution was probably more familiar as a Class, rather than for the lead ship, and other ships of that class seem to be more famous.

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It looks more like an NX Class than a Connie from above.
 
Owosekun seems impressed with the idea that the ship could have 2,000 folks aboard. Which is somewhat in line with the fact that her own ship only has 100-200 in most situations - but not in harmony with the fact that her own ship could comfortably accommodate 10,000 if accommodation were the mission. These starships are gigantic, and empty, compared with today's vessels; being able to squeeze only 2,000 people inside the hull would suggest a major downgrade from 23rd century norm. And of course requiring a crew of 2,000 would be an even greater loss of capacity, and truly hammer in that the Starfleet of the 32nd century is living in Dark Ages indeed.

So why is she smiling? Is it a Nelson Mundy smile at the depths to which Starfleet has sunken?

Timo Saloniemi
 
J is the 10th letter of the alphabet. Plus one with out a letter suffix you get 11.

I think what he meant was, why would Tilly be aware of letter suffixes that denote a certain amount of instances that a ship name has been used, unless that practice was going on in Starfleet decades before the Enterprise-A was built. Which seems to be the case if the Tikhov is any indication. And on that note...

The dialogue indicates that this specific USS Tikhov is a 23rd century vessel that Burnham was aware of, and that still exists 900 years later. Except it looks far more like a 32nd century ship inside and out (especially with its detached nacelles), and the registry seems to indicate that it's the 14th ship with that name. But then both Burnham and Nhan magically know how to operate its 'futuristic' controls. Not to mention that there's a large discrepancy in the actual size of the ship. When it's in the tractor beam, it appears as large as a shuttlecraft, but when we see an exterior shot of people through the ship's windows, it looks to be at least 30 to 50 meters long. And the amount of space inside the ship appears to be a heck of a lot more than a shuttle. The whole sequence with that ship just made zero sense to me.
 
The dialogue indicates that this specific USS Tikhov is a 23rd century vessel that Burnham was aware of, and that still exists.
I took it to mean that mission is always on a Tikhov
But then both Burnham and Nhan magically know how to operate its 'futuristic' controls
Welcome to Star Trek where every control on any ship can be operated by any Tom, Chakotay or Harry who beams in. Voyager seem particularly egregious in this area
 
I took it to mean that mission is always on a Tikhov

To me, the dialogue makes it pretty clear that the ship Burnham was referring to, and the ship they find, was supposed to be one and the same. So either the scriptwriters were assuming that the VFX people were going to use a 23rd century ship, or that their intent was that the ship had been upgraded over the centuries. The first option would explain why Burnham and Nhan knew how to operate the controls, but wouldn't explain why Burnham doesn't say "That's not the Tikhov I know!" when she first sees it.

I personally think it was a blunder and that the original intent was that the Tikhov really was a 23rd century ship. But then someone else decided that it was supposed to be a contemporary ship with a registry that indicates, as you state, that it's a Tikhov, but not the Tikhov that Burnham was referring to.

Welcome to Star Trek where every control on any ship can be operated by any Tom, Chakotay or Harry who beams in. Voyager seem particularly egregious in this area

I'm not saying that's not a thing. But it's especially egregious here, based on the above.
 
I dunno, future tech from your own civilization vs tech from a society you've never met before.

Do you think someone from the year 1120 would automatically know how to operate technology from 2020? Or someone from 2020 knowing how to operate technology from an alien species? It might as well be the same thing.
 
Do you think someone from the year 1120 would automatically know how to operate technology from 2020? Or someone from 2020 knowing how to operate technology from an alien species? It might as well be the same thing.
Just say that one might be more familiar. Burnham seemed to recognize certain things on Book's ship.
 
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