24: Redemption. Discussion and Spoilers

[Trekker4747]

Are we sure Daniels is a Democrat? I thought Palmer was a Democrat, which would make Keeler a Republican (and by association Logan and Daniels as well).

W. Palmer would likely be a Democrat (as his brother was) making Daniels a Democrat although it wouldn't be out of line for him to pick the Independant -but right leaning- Daniels as a running mate. Which would make this lady a Republican which doesn't seem to follow since, ahem, her concerns over the S. African nation that has no resources to exploit doesn't follow the ideals of her party.

David Palmer was a Democrat. This was established, in stone, in the first season.
Keeler ran against Palmer in S3 making Keeler a Republican.
Keeler is killed in S4 making Logan the President, a Republican (or possibly a Independant.)
Wayne would've ran against Logan's replacement Hal Gardner (who likely would be a Republican.)
Wayne's VP was Daniels which I guess would make him a Democrat and this lady a Republican.

I think it's more likely that much like the year/"perpetual now" that the Presidents don't belong to any paticular party affiliation.

 

[DarthPipes]

Presidents on '24' have frequently disappeared into some kind of netherworld.

After President Keeler was onboard Air Force 1 when it was shot down in Season 4, I believe, there was a brief mention that he had survived but he was in a coma. That was the last we ever heard. The same now goes for Ex-Presidents Logan (my guess is they will try and bring him back if the writers can find a way to work him in. I believe it was deliberate that his fate was left ambiguous.) and Wayne Palmer (still no explanation as to whether he recovered or not. My guess is even if he did, he was probably crippled at best.) That's three Presidents somewhere between dead and alive. I'm pretty sure that Presidents make up the majority of the characters in 'limbo' over the course of the show.

The United States in 24 is the most ridiculously politically unstable country around, I swear to God. Every single president keeps getting incapacitated and they have to invoke the 25th Amendment to create Acting Presidents or to have the VP ascend to the presidency itself. It's bizarre. It's like the Secret Service doesn't even exist in that world.

Has 24 had any Presidents actually serve out a full 8-year set of two terms without having to invoke the 25th?

Who would want to be Presiden in the 24 universe? Hell, who would want to deal with the constant moles and conspiracies that spring up every singler year.

 

[Neroon]

Who would want to be Presiden in the 24 universe? Hell, who would want to deal with the constant moles and conspiracies that spring up every singler year.

Not to mention one of the most powerful entities in the universe: the WGA!

 

[highlander]

It was fairly meh overall, and sadly Chloe-less (kiss my ass Chloe bashers, I LOVE her), but judging from the previews I wasn't expecting a whole lot. Season 7 looks like it'll be far better though.

I'm with you dude, I love Chloe!!!! She is possibly my favorite character on the show (after Jack). It doesn't hurt that I find her amazingly hot!
Maybe it has something to do with the name.

 

[Trekker4747]

Presidents on '24' have frequently disappeared into some kind of netherworld.

After President Keeler was onboard Air Force 1 when it was shot down in Season 4, I believe, there was a brief mention that he had survived but he was in a coma. That was the last we ever heard. The same now goes for Ex-Presidents Logan (my guess is they will try and bring him back if the writers can find a way to work him in. I believe it was deliberate that his fate was left ambiguous.) and Wayne Palmer (still no explanation as to whether he recovered or not. My guess is even if he did, he was probably crippled at best.) That's three Presidents somewhere between dead and alive. I'm pretty sure that Presidents make up the majority of the characters in 'limbo' over the course of the show.

The United States in 24 is the most ridiculously politically unstable country around, I swear to God. Every single president keeps getting incapacitated and they have to invoke the 25th Amendment to create Acting Presidents or to have the VP ascend to the presidency itself. It's bizarre. It's like the Secret Service doesn't even exist in that world.

Has 24 had any Presidents actually serve out a full 8-year set of two terms without having to invoke the 25th?

Who would want to be Presiden in the 24 universe? Hell, who would want to deal with the constant moles and conspiracies that spring up every singler year.

Thinking about it, I think D. Palmer was the only President to be elected into office and then serve out his entire term -granted he stepped down from seeking re-election.

So:

D. Palmer - Finished his first term, stepped down from re-election.
Keeler - Killed/incapacitated ascending Logan.
Logan - Ascended, arrested/resigned. Ascending Gardner.
Gardner - Ascended, not re-elected against W. Palmer.
W. Palmer - Elected in, incapacitated during the first few MONTHS of his Preisdency, ascended Daniels.
Daniels - Ascended, lost re-election.

The voters in 24's verse likely have NO faith in the election system. I wonder what TNZ looks like in that universe?

 

[Lindley]

Right, I forgot about Wayne for a second there.

 

[Agent Richard07]

Daniels was a republican wasn't he? I remember Wayne Palmer saying that he wanted a "balanced" ticket or something to that effect and so chose a VP from the opposing party. Whatever I heard, I remember being surprised that someone who was running for President could choose a running mate from another party.

 

[Trekker4747]

Daniels was a republican wasn't he? I remember Wayne Palmer saying that he wanted a "balanced" ticket or something to that effect and so chose a VP from the opposing party. Whatever I heard, I remember being surprised that someone who was running for President could choose a running mate from another party.

Theoretically a candidate can choose whomever they way. Just to appeal to the "base" and the uppers of their own party and their benifactors they'll choose a running mate from their own party.

But Daniels'.... "demeanor" would certainly more suggest a Republican than a Democrat.

 

[Hermiod]

Average. Took a while to get going but it was enjoyable enough.

I can't really see how they're going to include the Sangala situation as an ongoing problem in the show when it centers around Jack Bauer and he's headed back to the US.

I can only guess that Dubaku didn't die and will follow Jack to America, looking for revenge.

 

[Aragorn]

In episode one, you can see Dubaku get on a plane for London.

In episode seven, you can see him get off the plane and wait for his connecting flight.

In episode eight, you can see him get on his new flight.

In episode seventeen, he arrives in D.C.!!!

 

[Hermiod]

In episode one, you can see Dubaku get on a plane for London.

In episode seven, you can see him get off the plane and wait for his connecting flight.

In episode eight, you can see him get on his new flight.

In episode seventeen, he arrives in D.C.!!!

I presume there's going to be plenty of in universe time between the end of this and the start of season 7.

 

[Romulan_spy]

I really enjoyed this mini movie. It had a straightforward but engaging plot and genuine emotion. The opening scene did a great job of introducing the villains. The movie also did a great job of making us care about the children in the school. Mr. Benton's sacrifice was very moving and the scene towards the end where Jack has to explain that Benton is dead to the kid was very poignant. And of course, we got to see Jack Bauer kick ass which is always a good thing. But I thought the movie did a better job than the regular season of balancing the action scenes with the character scenes.

 

[Morpheus 02]

In episode one, you can see Dubaku get on a plane for London.

In episode seven, you can see him get off the plane and wait for his connecting flight.

In episode eight, you can see him get on his new flight.

In episode seventeen, he arrives in D.C.!!!

So Jack has some time to take a bathroom break, finally! After 7 of the longest days of his life, he hasn't beenable to do some of the basic functions of life!

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Excellent, nice way to kick off the new season of 24. I'm one of the many who bailed last season but this just might lure me back. For whatever reason, I actually liked the Washington scenes better than the "exciting" Africa scenes and I'm very interested to see where that plotline goes.

Looking forward to the new season now, but I really don't like the idea of Tony being a bad guy.

I'm having a hard time envisioning circumstances that would cause him to be a bad guy, but I guess I'm willing to give them a chance to convince me. I hope it isn't something dopey like "Tony is bitter Jack let him die." Cmon, he's a frakkin grownup!

 

[Aragorn]

^ Well, it is 24. A CTU computer techie would refuse to help locate the bomb unless whoever took his Oreos fesses up.

 

[firehawk12]

Anyone bother with the extended cut or the first 17 minutes of episode 1?

Looks like Phlox is the new patsy... and they pretty much say what happened to Tony.

 

[Aragorn]

Good lord. Eight minutes in and we're already into the petty office bickering!!!

And the bad guys' base is like three minutes away from where they grabbed Phlox!

 

[firehawk12]

Was there any doubt?

 

[Harvey]

I'm kind of late to the party, but I thought this was pretty good. A nice start to what could be a (gasp!) interesting season.

There were the prerequisite ideological nonsense (the cowardice of the UN along with typical white saviors of the poor African children), but that's par for the course for 24 now.

Daniels was a republican wasn't he? I remember Wayne Palmer saying that he wanted a "balanced" ticket or something to that effect and so chose a VP from the opposing party. Whatever I heard, I remember being surprised that someone who was running for President could choose a running mate from another party.

Theoretically a candidate can choose whomever they way. Just to appeal to the "base" and the uppers of their own party and their benifactors they'll choose a running mate from their own party.

But Daniels'.... "demeanor" would certainly more suggest a Republican than a Democrat.

Daniels seemed to me to be a conservative Democrat, a "bluedog" if you will. Which makes sense. A more liberal Democrat putting a more conservative Democrat as VP to balance the ticket is not unprecedented at all, on the show or in real life (i.e. Obama/Biden and Palmer/Prescott).

As for Taylor seeming to be a Democrat, I agree. Which makes me rationalize all the talk about the "election" as having to do with a Democratic primary battle. It's really the best I can do with it.

Look forward to January.

 

[Trekker4747]

I'm kind of late to the party, but I thought this was pretty good. A nice start to what could be a (gasp!) interesting season.

There were the prerequisite ideological nonsense (the cowardice of the UN along with typical white saviors of the poor African children), but that's par for the course for 24 now.

Daniels was a republican wasn't he? I remember Wayne Palmer saying that he wanted a "balanced" ticket or something to that effect and so chose a VP from the opposing party. Whatever I heard, I remember being surprised that someone who was running for President could choose a running mate from another party.

Theoretically a candidate can choose whomever they way. Just to appeal to the "base" and the uppers of their own party and their benifactors they'll choose a running mate from their own party.

But Daniels'.... "demeanor" would certainly more suggest a Republican than a Democrat.

Daniels seemed to me to be a conservative Democrat, a "bluedog" if you will. Which makes sense. A more liberal Democrat putting a more conservative Democrat as VP to balance the ticket is not unprecedented at all, on the show or in real life (i.e. Obama/Biden and Palmer/Prescott).

As for Taylor seeming to be a Democrat, I agree. Which makes me rationalize all the talk about the "election" as having to do with a Democratic primary battle. It's really the best I can do with it.

Look forward to January.

So we've skipped forward 8 years? That seems unlikely.