24: Redemption. Discussion and Spoilers

[tomalak301]

I debated watching this up until about 7:30 when I decided to record it, watch The Amazing Race, and then start this at 9:00 to fast forward Commercials. Speaking of which, who needs commercials now when they are doing fine product placement of Cisco, Haundai, and Sprint. Just sayin'

I'm glad I watched it. I was so mad with how season 6 turned out but I think one of my worries is with 24 being off the air for so long, I've forgotten a lot of it (Even though I do remember Jack, Jack's girlfriend's Daughter, and a strong conversation that lead to Jack standing on a cliff but as for the plot, nope don't remember it) that I almost wish Fox would do a 24 primer to kind of clip show why Jack is in the position he's in.

As for this, given the plot I was wondering why they called it 24: Redemption. It didn't seem like anyone was redeemed, but the coolest character not named Jack ended up biting the bullet and doing it really well. Jack is going to be criticized by the government again, there's another terrorist plot (Which I will probably forget a lot about by the time the new season starts) again, and I'm finding myself more enthused about season 7 than this latest entry into the 24 mythos. It's good to have the show back, but this episode doesn't change my mind that it is rejuvenated. It just sets up the new season.

Above Average

 

[TGTheodore]

That guy is a real masochist, I would have just stepped off before they shot me.

He had to make sure the colonel was close enough to get blown up. That's why he mumbled a few times first ... to lure the colonel closer.

GREAT scene.

--Ted

 

[LutherSloan]

Presidents on '24' have frequently disappeared into some kind of netherworld.

After President Keeler was onboard Air Force 1 when it was shot down in Season 4, I believe, there was a brief mention that he had survived but he was in a coma. That was the last we ever heard. The same now goes for Ex-Presidents Logan (my guess is they will try and bring him back if the writers can find a way to work him in. I believe it was deliberate that his fate was left ambiguous.) and Wayne Palmer (still no explanation as to whether he recovered or not. My guess is even if he did, he was probably crippled at best.) That's three Presidents somewhere between dead and alive. I'm pretty sure that Presidents make up the majority of the characters in 'limbo' over the course of the show.

Back to the movie, I thought it was a good (and long overdue) return to the show. It certainly makes me wish that the season was going to start sooner. I was really surprised to see in the new trailer that this Juma guy miraculously managed to survive what should have been a fatal mine detonation. I hope they at least have him badly scarred or something during the season. Or minus an arm.

I liked the hint that Daniels might have been in cahoots with Jon Voight's new villain character Hodges. That would be interesting.

I thought that maybe Tony was being forced into working with the rest of the bad guys, at least from what we saw in the trailer. I am certainly looking forward to the explanation as to how the hell he faked his death, especially considering the fact that Christopher Henderson (one of the Season 5 villains) was supposed to have killed him. That SHOULD mean that Tony was involved with Henderson somehow.

 

[Aragorn]

^ The easiest way I came up with Tony coming back from the dead was that the chemical interrogation guy who was pumping Henderson was in on it with Henderson. After all, for someone who had a supposedly fried brain after all that had been injected into him, Henderson was sure moving at 100% when he got up, injected Tony and escaped. And Tony was more or less injected with the same stuff.

Do former presidents attend the swearing-in of new presidents? Of course, since this is 24, everyone seen in the background could be a former POTUS.

 

[Evil Twin]

It was fairly meh overall, and sadly Chloe-less (kiss my ass Chloe bashers, I LOVE her), but judging from the previews I wasn't expecting a whole lot. Season 7 looks like it'll be far better though.

 

[Lindley]

I was really surprised to see in the new trailer that this Juma guy miraculously managed to survive what should have been a fatal mine detonation.

I might be misremembering the names, but isn't Tony Todd Juma? He wasn't anywhere near the mine.

 

[TheInsideMan]

I thought it was great, better than what I was expecting. Up there with anything that the first four hours of Day 6 did, and far superior to the rest of the day that followed.

 

[paudemge]

I liked it, and think they could do some future seasons with stories that are take place over longer periods than 24 hours, make each episode 'real-time' but not necessarily contiguous.
But i hope Tony's return is handled well.
And i hope that Daniels is not in on it.

 

[Neroon]

I was really surprised to see in the new trailer that this Juma guy miraculously managed to survive what should have been a fatal mine detonation.

I might be misremembering the names, but isn't Tony Todd Juma? He wasn't anywhere near the mine.

You are correct, Lindley. Todd played the rebel general who is trying to retake the government. The guy who survived the mine blast was one of his chief officers.

 

[LutherSloan]

I was really surprised to see in the new trailer that this Juma guy miraculously managed to survive what should have been a fatal mine detonation.

I might be misremembering the names, but isn't Tony Todd Juma? He wasn't anywhere near the mine.

You are correct, Lindley. Todd played the rebel general who is trying to retake the government. The guy who survived the mine blast was one of his chief officers.

I have noticed that Tony Todd looks almost IDENTICAL to Peter Mensah these days.

 

[Servo]

So, that's what happens when Jack Bauer plays Farcry 2.

 

[Sci]

Presidents on '24' have frequently disappeared into some kind of netherworld.

After President Keeler was onboard Air Force 1 when it was shot down in Season 4, I believe, there was a brief mention that he had survived but he was in a coma. That was the last we ever heard. The same now goes for Ex-Presidents Logan (my guess is they will try and bring him back if the writers can find a way to work him in. I believe it was deliberate that his fate was left ambiguous.) and Wayne Palmer (still no explanation as to whether he recovered or not. My guess is even if he did, he was probably crippled at best.) That's three Presidents somewhere between dead and alive. I'm pretty sure that Presidents make up the majority of the characters in 'limbo' over the course of the show.

The United States in 24 is the most ridiculously politically unstable country around, I swear to God. Every single president keeps getting incapacitated and they have to invoke the 25th Amendment to create Acting Presidents or to have the VP ascend to the presidency itself. It's bizarre. It's like the Secret Service doesn't even exist in that world.

Has 24 had any Presidents actually serve out a full 8-year set of two terms without having to invoke the 25th?

 

[Aragorn]

No president has lasted two terms. David Palmer got through one term, but his VP 25thed him and was the acting president for like a couple hours. In the next term, there were three presidents -- Keeler, Logan and Gardner. Wayne Palmer didn't even make it through his first year, and Daniels didn't win the next election.

The Presidential B plots are the worst thing about 24. It was one thing when there was a connection between David Palmer and Jack Bauer, but now it's just a bunch of repetitive show-killing nonsense with empty suits we won't even see for the next season.

 

[Trekker4747]

No president has lasted two terms. David Palmer got through one term, but his VP 25thed him and was the acting president for like a couple hours. In the next term, there were three presidents -- Keeler, Logan and Gardner. Wayne Palmer didn't even make it through his first year, and Daniels didn't win the next election.

The Presidential B plots are the worst thing about 24. It was one thing when there was a connection between David Palmer and Jack Bauer, but now it's just a bunch of repetitive show-killing nonsense with empty suits we won't even see for the next season.

Palmer was un "25th'd" and served out the rest of his term and began the steps towards re-election but bowed out in the wake of the scandal between his brother (Wayne), Sheri, and a murdered benefactor.

 

[Lindley]

I've rather bizarrely come to like Tom Lennox though. Strange considering he started out pinging my weasel-o-meter.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Presidents on '24' have frequently disappeared into some kind of netherworld.

After President Keeler was onboard Air Force 1 when it was shot down in Season 4, I believe, there was a brief mention that he had survived but he was in a coma. That was the last we ever heard. The same now goes for Ex-Presidents Logan (my guess is they will try and bring him back if the writers can find a way to work him in. I believe it was deliberate that his fate was left ambiguous.) and Wayne Palmer (still no explanation as to whether he recovered or not. My guess is even if he did, he was probably crippled at best.) That's three Presidents somewhere between dead and alive. I'm pretty sure that Presidents make up the majority of the characters in 'limbo' over the course of the show.

The United States in 24 is the most ridiculously politically unstable country around, I swear to God. Every single president keeps getting incapacitated and they have to invoke the 25th Amendment to create Acting Presidents or to have the VP ascend to the presidency itself. It's bizarre. It's like the Secret Service doesn't even exist in that world.

Has 24 had any Presidents actually serve out a full 8-year set of two terms without having to invoke the 25th?

And add another twist to it...We have a Daniels, a Democrat, is a hawk, while the new POTUS is (apparently) a Reoublican, but a woman, and doviesih (or at least idealistic). A very strange universe nowadays...

 

[Trekker4747]

And add another twist to it...We have a Daniels, a Democrat, is a hawk, while the new POTUS is (apparently) a Reoublican, but a woman, and doviesih (or at least idealistic). A very strange universe nowadays...

Mind repeating this?

In English, perhaps?

 

[Lindley]

Are we sure Daniels is a Democrat? I thought Palmer was a Democrat, which would make Keeler a Republican (and by association Logan and Daniels as well).

 

[firehawk12]

The Democrat likes to blow shit up and the Republican wants peace.

I was going to mention the opposite though - that the Democrat doesn't want to step Genocide while the Republican wants to "waste" American lives to help "Sengalians" or whatever the name of the made up country was.

 

[Aragorn]

Lindley, how do you get that Daniels is a Republican if Palmer is a Democrat, seeing as how they were on the same ticket?

Palmer -- Democrat
Keeler, Logan, Gardner -- Republican
Palmer No. 2, Daniels -- Democrat
Taylor -- Republican

Of course, only the first Palmer was ever given a party label. Perhaps Logan is Libertarian and now Taylor is Green Party.