Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by Nakita Akita, Jan 28, 2020.
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Woe betide Normans, Persians, Barbary Slavers, Egyptians, Vikings, Wagadou, you name it.
Can I start by saying the Normans had really dodgy hair?
Hey! I had Norman ancestors - now I'm required to be offended!
It’s alright. So have I. This is my repressed guilt and shame breaking through.
Barbarian miners. I just rewatched this episode. Eve was the only woman of character. The other two were total bimbos. Poor space miners were desparate. So was Kirk for the crystals. I think it's one of the better first season shows.
Early TOS had yet to flesh out a lot of the terminology and canon but it could be very raw and gritty. I like episodes like "Mudd's Women" because they feel so unrefined and world-building. It's recognizable Trek but still so early that you get thrown by the quickly abandoned terminology as well as characters who have yet to become the ones we know and love.
It’s very much in the Space Opera as Space Western tradition, before Trek became its own sub-genre.
The movie "The War Lord" with Charleton Heston does an excellent job of showcasing medieval Norman haircuts.
I would say it's completely fair game to rationally analyze and critique it, in order to truly understand it and see what we can learn from it going forward. But it's counterproductive to make sweeping, knee-jerk negative judgments because something from the past was not in line with the way things are today, as many these days tend to do. As L.P. Hartley wrote, "The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there."
What about the Celts?
Hear-tell they ran into battle naked!
Being run at by a big, red haired, naked man! Yikes!
But then we have to talk about Sub Rosa.
Don't ever remember hearing that about the Celts. What I read was that they'd all work themselves into a berserker frenzy before running out onto the battlefield so they wouldn't notice their mortal wounds until the enemy was all dead.
Now, the Greek Myrmidons, they were known for going into battle naked.
They probably avoided fighting on cold days. Not quite as scary being attacked by the shrinkage platoon.
You mean, with Dr. Heller's clothing shrinker?
Wasn't that the Norse?
I thought is was Germans.
Woad, the Celts were said by Roman observers to be covered in woad and went into battle naked.
Blue naked red haired men? Double yikes
To go back to the objectification, these were reports from Roman witnesses. They tended to portray the Celts as savages little better than animals that Rome needed to bring civilization to. How extensive the woad covering was, why they did it, and how naked they really were are open questions since we have no Celtic opinions on topic.
It was. The "berserker" part, anyway.
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