Star Trek: Axanar

[BigJake]

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I think Hell just froze over, BigJake!

I think when we get to our tenth occasion of agreeing with each other we should each treat ourselves to a cupcake or a Happy Meal or something.

Sounds like those loyalty cards, when they punch off a whole row with the heart-shaped hole-puncher and you get a free cupcake or whatever.

That's the stuff. An Amity Card in this case.

Or you two could be the reason the universe collapses on itself...

But what of Lazarus? What... of Lazarus?

 

[YJAGG]

ok so if it offended you, then don't support it moving forward, can you rescind any kickstarter money ?

 

[Duane]

You can withdraw, increase or decrease a Kickstarter donation at any time as long as the campaign is still live. Once the campaign has ended, and if the goal has been met, your credit card will be charged.

 

[Tosk]

The only person who's actually on point is Tosk, but he refuses to answer the simple question of why racial and misogynistic slurs are not equal.

I'm not sure what you want me to say. I don't know how to prove an opinion. I'm not being intentionally obtuse...if I'm missing something obvious here, I apologize.

 

[Mage]

Ok, on the subject of the usage of 'the words', I talked to me girlfriend about this, and basicly her reply was, and I quote:

I'm glad some women are weighing into the discussion, though I won't go into the racial slur vs. mysoginistic language debate. I have not seen the scene itself, but I have had it described to me, and as far as I can tell, the Klingons are the antagonists in this situation. It has been said that the language used is degrading towards women. To that, I say: damn straight. Definitely. But that is sort of the point. Using a piece of text that is insulting or degrading does not mean that the creator believes that this piece of text, this line, is okay. If that was the case, we need to have a talk with the people who produced Der Untergang. The point is that the 'bad guys' say the words. Their viewpoint is in no way condoned or approved of. It's the Klingons, they're abrasive and rude and this language is to be expected from those that do not guard their tongues with the same honour as they guard their lifes. So yes, it is offensive, yes, that is what the Klingons would do: be offensive. And it's up to the creator to decide to what degree. It just makes me want to see the protagonists beat the antagonists more. In the second Jurassic Park, I get extremely pissed at the people who are cruel to the dinosaurs. But that just means I get to cheer even louder when they get what's coming to them. I'm a 23-year-old woman who is completely aboard the equality train and my view is: don't glorify this language, but don't censor it either.

So yeah, a viewpoint from a young female.....

Sometimes, in fiction, it's understandable to use some violence or language to make us hate the 'bad guys' even more. That doesn't mean anyone is saying you should use that same language in real life, towards real people.

 

[RCAM]

Then you get into the issue of casting the entire Klingon species as monolithically rude, abrasive, and dishonorable.

 

[Warped9]

I find techno-babble in Star Trek a LOT more offensive to my intelligence than what the Klingons called Kate Vernon's character.
I don't mind at all that in this instance they got ''real''...

So I agree with 137th Gebirg...

I quite love techno-babble, because it manages to put more science into fiction.

It does nothing of the kind. It puts more nonsense.

 

[Kruezerman]

Wow. That escalated uber-quickly.

 

[urbandefault]

The whole point of an antagonist calling names is to deflate the ego of opponents, to turn them back in on themselves, and make them feel inferior. The ultimate victory over that kind of attack is to use it. Use it to harden and strengthen yourself, and to turn that strength back on the antagonist and come out victorious.

To take an insult to heart and crawl away in defeat is exactly what the antagonist wants. An enemy in time of war doesn't care if you tell him that his words are misogynistic or racist or disparaging. He will laugh at you and hurl another insult, then another barrage of fire.

The same applies in everyday life. It's up to you to rise above the insults. If you aren't comfortable with who you are, name calling will cut you to the bone every time. That's your own insecurity. If you are self-confident, you will shrug off the morons who throw ridiculous insults. You are responsible for the way you feel about yourself, and no amount of censorship will ever change that.

 

[Tallguy]

The whole point of an antagonist calling names is to deflate the ego of opponents, to turn them back in on themselves, and make them feel inferior. The ultimate victory over that kind of attack is to use it. Use it to harden and strengthen yourself, and to turn that strength back on the antagonist and come out victorious.

To take an insult to heart and crawl away in defeat is exactly what the antagonist wants. An enemy in time of war doesn't care if you tell him that his words are misogynistic or racist or disparaging. He will laugh at you and hurl another insult, then another barrage of fire.

The same applies in everyday life. It's up to you to rise above the insults. If you aren't comfortable with who you are, name calling will cut you to the bone every time. That's your own insecurity. If you are self-confident, you will shrug off the morons who throw ridiculous insults. You are responsible for the way you feel about yourself, and no amount of censorship will ever change that.

This conversation took a different turn when it was suggested that the Klingons use a racist term for the black admiral.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I find techno-babble in Star Trek a LOT more offensive to my intelligence than what the Klingons called Kate Vernon's character.
I don't mind at all that in this instance they got ''real''...

So I agree with 137th Gebirg...

I quite love techno-babble, because it manages to put more science into fiction.

It does nothing of the kind. It puts more nonsense.

For the first and very probably last time, I am in agreement with Warped9.

 

[beamMe]

The whole point of an antagonist calling names is to deflate the ego of opponents, to turn them back in on themselves, and make them feel inferior. The ultimate victory over that kind of attack is to use it. Use it to harden and strengthen yourself, and to turn that strength back on the antagonist and come out victorious.

To take an insult to heart and crawl away in defeat is exactly what the antagonist wants. An enemy in time of war doesn't care if you tell him that his words are misogynistic or racist or disparaging. He will laugh at you and hurl another insult, then another barrage of fire.

The same applies in everyday life. It's up to you to rise above the insults. If you aren't comfortable with who you are, name calling will cut you to the bone every time. That's your own insecurity. If you are self-confident, you will shrug off the morons who throw ridiculous insults. You are responsible for the way you feel about yourself, and no amount of censorship will ever change that.

This conversation took a different turn when it was suggested that the Klingons use a racist term for the black admiral.

Because is is complete nonsense to assume the Klingons would know what the term "nigger" means.

 

[MikeH92467]

*ahem* back on topic...Axanar announced that Garrett Wang will join the main cast as a Klingon Captain.

 

[Psion]

*ahem* back on topic...Axanar announced that Garrett Wang will join the main cast as a Klingon Captain.

Are you certain it's not a Klingon ensign?

 

[Duncan MacLeod]

Nope. He'll be playing the captain of the first D-7.

Well the man is 45 after all. That's a bit long in the tooth to be an ensign wouldn't you say? VOY ended 13 years ago, not 13 weeks.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

^ That was a joke, I believe.

 

[DEWLine]

And even in the novels after "Endgame", Harry's since been promoted.

I'm good with this, especially if Mr. Wang's having fun with it.

 

[Tosk]

Nope. He'll be playing the captain of the first D-7.

Well the man is 45 after all. That's a bit long in the tooth to be an ensign wouldn't you say? VOY ended 13 years ago, not 13 weeks.

Harry was an ensign for seven years, so he should only be a lieutenant by now.

Maaaaybe a lt. commander at a stretch.

 

[Barbreader]

GW isn't playing Harry Kim, he's playing a Klingon. And I suspect after all that experience, Harry Kim has moved up as fast in the ranks as Starfleet permits. He's probably No. 1 to some deep space mission by now, if he doesn't have his own command. Kirk did at a much younger age with less experience.

 

[Ithekro]

The question will be, will Wang's Klingon captain have ridges or be a smooth head?

He must have some serious credentials to warrent getting the command of the first D7 battlecruiser. Assigned to decimate the Federation fleet, once the D6 cruisers could be defeated by the new Ares-class warships.

He will not be Chang, since he's suppose to be a junior officer under Kharn, and more a Kirk contemporary. This is the age of Garth, April, and later Pike.