Ah. He had me checking IMDB to see if one of the servicemen was named Jim Harper and I hadn't noticed....
‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’
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^ I wondered if Lois had started working for a different newspaper!
But it's misunderstanding the focus of my criticisms. You're defending Superman, but Superman is not the one I have a problem with. I love Superman. I think Henry Cavill was a fantastic Superman. I just think Snyder and Goyer didn't allow him to be Superman because of the story they forced him to act out. My criticisms are about the choices and priorities of the filmmakers, so a point-by-point deconstruction of character motivations is peripheral. Yes, it can be argued that the characters' actions were justified in the context of the situation, but it's the filmmakers' choice to create the situation that way and force the characters to those choices that I disagree with. I would've preferred a different situation that would've allowed Superman to be truer to himself.
The overall threat did, yes. But the collapse of dozens of skyscrapers for minute after minute after minute, the pretense that everything was hunky-dory when Superman landed with Lois in the middle of a huge gaping crater a mile across, the stupidity of having buildings collapse instantly the moment Superman or Zod slammed into them -- that was just gratuitous excess, an orgy of computer graphics that was created to serve the trailers rather than the story. That's my point. I'm not saying anything about removing the feats of Hamilton and Lois and Colonel Hardy -- hell, I thought they were more heroic than Superman was, so yes, absolutely, keep them. But that's exactly my point -- you could cut out a huge amount of CGI building collapses, maybe 15-20 minutes or more, without losing a single plot point or line of dialogue. There was no reason to take it to that level of excess, to dwell on it for nearly an entire reel of the film, except as pure indulgence and spectacle.
I note you didn't object to Snyder's misrepresentation of the likely death toll, though.
But I don't want to get into a fight over this, since it's just a movie, after all. I'm just focusing on different aspects than you are. You're glossing over things too. Everyone viewing a story or event filters it through their perceptions and priorities and focuses more on some aspects than others. So some of us see the flaws, others see the virtues. Every member of the audience experiences a story differently. Instead of calling each other liars, we should just remember that we're all entitled to be different. Superman is about tolerance, after all. That's what they keep stressing on the '40s radio series I've been listening to.
And there's a lot about Man of Steel that I really love, that I think was fantastic. Like I said, I think Cavill is superb, the first actor since Reeve that I could look at and really believe was Superman. I wish I could love the whole movie. That's why I'm so sad about the parts that were so beyond-the-pale awful and destructive to the character. Give this movie a different third act and I might be praising it to high heaven, aside from the total character assassination of Jonathan Kent. So there's probably a lot here that we feel the same about. We shouldn't make such a big deal out of the aspects we see differently.
I'm going to have to start drinking if Batman pulls out a device that creates an alien atmosphere bubble to weaken his opponent.
What am saying? It's probably next to the "Bat Sun blocker" in the bat cave.
Batman is prepared
As far as WW's costume: I am warming up to it. Gadot looks better than I thought she would, but the lasso needs to be more golden-even if it is muted.
As far as the heels/ wedges / platform thing goes, I absolutely detest that! Especially when trying to make your character taller or more statuesque. (Jmo)
Hopefully, this movie does 'justice' -haha - to all the characters.....
As far as the heels/ wedges / platform thing goes, I absolutely detest that! Especially when trying to make your character taller or more statuesque. (Jmo)
Hopefully, this movie does 'justice' -haha - to all the characters.....
I for one appreciated the overblown battle across the city. It finally satisfied an expectation of what such a battle between equally matched Super-forces should look like... opposed to the [still adored but] dated action sequence of the same battle in Superman II.
I know, huh? It's like listening to AA graduates droning on and on about how things were when they used to drink. 
So would simply not making the movie. I like that scene too, it's a nice call back to an attitude we expect him to express. But if I wanted to, I could gripe about how the Supes should have been too busy for a personal moment like that. I mean, who knows how many thousands died while he was acting like we want him to act.
When did this thread turn into a Marvel vs DC thing?
I want to see stuff about the new movie. I don't give a damn about what happened in the comics. Respectfully, argue about it somewhere else. There's plenty of room in the BBS for that stuff.
What's new with the freaking movie?
I know, huh? It's like listening to AA graduates droning on and on about how things were when they used to drink. So would simply not making the movie.
I like that scene too, it's a nice call back to an attitude we expect him to express. But if I wanted to, I could gripe about how the Supes should have been too busy for a personal moment like that. I mean, who knows how many thousands died while he was acting like we want him to act.
I thought that ground was pretty well covered during the Neo/Agent Smith fights in The Matrix sequels.
The leaked trailer gave me chills.
Lord, just looking at that, I can hear him talking....Let's hope that Bale took his silly Batman voice with him....
Yeah, as much as I love the Nolan films, I will not miss Bale's angry garbled Batman voice. I can't help but crack up when he starts screaming "Where's the trigger?!" My friends and I joke around yelling that when we're playing the Arkham games or FPS games and need to press/pull the trigger.
No, I forgot the name of Col. Hardy, so I just used his call sign/unit ID from the movie.
Though I would be happy to see his character eventually be rescued from or escape the Phantom Zone and become a new take on the Guardian character's origins. He certainly had the courage for it. Not that that will ever happen, but one can wish.
I wasn't debating Zack Snyder, and the first time I ever read that comment by him was when you just mentioned it and I read back through the thread to see what you were referring to.
Fair enough.
FWIW, I practically cheered during the part in TDK where Batman used the special lenses, insofar as I finally got to see a live action Batman who had glowing white eyes like the comic books. In my mind, Bruce has always had special lenses in the mask, if for no other reason to make him creepier and to make it harder to identify him by eye color.
Well, Gadot looks wonderful as does the costume, as you'd expect. The MOS haven't made a wrong move yet.
Clark's killing Zod in MOS made perfect thematic and plot sense; it's mildly surprising to see some still beating that horse. Warners and the audience can move on.
Clark's killing Zod in MOS made perfect thematic and plot sense; it's mildly surprising to see some still beating that horse. Warners and the audience can move on.
^ Yeah, I liked the playing up of the Greek Hoplite elements of the costume rather than silly Star Spangled granny panties.
I liked them too (but not because of the white eyes/comics appearance thing), though it was kind of a bad design flaw that they can't be shut off very easily when you have to get into hand to hand combat.
I liked them too (but not because of the white eyes/comics appearance thing), though it was kind of a bad design flaw that they can't be shut off very easily when you have to get into hand to hand combat.
If I was drawing a comic character in the late 1930s, I think I'd make it as easy on myself as possible. If that meant leaving the eyes blank, so be it.
I think that's probably how it was then, and just stuck. The 1966 Batman series did a good job of simulating the effect by the way the cowl fit Adam West, and the mask on Burt Ward. They did the same thing with Frank Gorshin. You don't really see their eyes.
The 1989 movie went a step further with the eye black, and every live action Batman since has used that. It lets you see the whites of the eyes in some shots, and the cowl creates dramatic shadows in others.
The lenses in TDK, and presumably in this new one, are there to serve a specific purpose.
Otherwise, it's just a thing. A look.
But hey, check out this shot from Project: Lex, earlier this year. Remind you of anything?
I think that's probably how it was then, and just stuck. The 1966 Batman series did a good job of simulating the effect by the way the cowl fit Adam West, and the mask on Burt Ward. They did the same thing with Frank Gorshin. You don't really see their eyes.
The 1989 movie went a step further with the eye black, and every live action Batman since has used that. It lets you see the whites of the eyes in some shots, and the cowl creates dramatic shadows in others.
The lenses in TDK, and presumably in this new one, are there to serve a specific purpose.
Otherwise, it's just a thing. A look.
But hey, check out this shot from Project: Lex, earlier this year. Remind you of anything?
About the possibility of Batman having a lead-lined suit: Maybe if Bats IS packing kryptonite, he's wearing a lead-lined suit to protect him from the radiation (kryptonite radiation IS harmful to humans, it just takes longer). Protecting Bruce's identity would just be a side benefit that he didn't know about. He'd probably figure it out during the fight, so he could make sure he lined his cowl from that point on. Just spitballing.
Got to say this is looking more... promising.
I initially wasn't too fond of the idea of Ms. Gadot being WW but the look really works for me. I'm still cautious, though, Bat-fleck still has me worried and the use of Superman in MOS left a lot to be desired for me.
I initially wasn't too fond of the idea of Ms. Gadot being WW but the look really works for me. I'm still cautious, though, Bat-fleck still has me worried and the use of Superman in MOS left a lot to be desired for me.
Affleck does look like he's shaping up to be a good Bruce Wayne/Batman. The whole notion that Bruce and Clark look alike is even captured pretty well.
