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I facepalmed at Spock's "Khaaaaaan!" scream. It was a homage too far, and reminded me of Smallville's cheesy (over)use of "Kneel before Zod!"
But I thought the death scene reversal was fantastic, not only as a scene unto itself and a homage to WoK, but much like Spock Prime's cut line about the timeline attempting to repair itself in ST'09, I love the implications across the multiverse of Trek. Is it a fixed point in the multiverse? Whatever the circumstances, will some things will always happen in a similar manner? The Enterprise-D was destroyed by a warp core breach in battles with a Klingon Bird of Prey or three in two timelines. Seven of Nine took Kes' place in the Jefferies Tube during the Kazon attack which blinded Tuvok in two versions of the same battle with the Krenim. Somehow the same people are always interacting in the same places across the multiverse, even with massively different circumstances (every Mirror Universe or time travel story ever)
I wonder if MU Kirk and Spock had a similar emotional farewell just before Spock zapped Kirk with the Tantalus Device...?
But I thought the death scene reversal was fantastic, not only as a scene unto itself and a homage to WoK, but much like Spock Prime's cut line about the timeline attempting to repair itself in ST'09, I love the implications across the multiverse of Trek. Is it a fixed point in the multiverse? Whatever the circumstances, will some things will always happen in a similar manner? The Enterprise-D was destroyed by a warp core breach in battles with a Klingon Bird of Prey or three in two timelines. Seven of Nine took Kes' place in the Jefferies Tube during the Kazon attack which blinded Tuvok in two versions of the same battle with the Krenim. Somehow the same people are always interacting in the same places across the multiverse, even with massively different circumstances (every Mirror Universe or time travel story ever)
I wonder if MU Kirk and Spock had a similar emotional farewell just before Spock zapped Kirk with the Tantalus Device...?
Spock did scream, albeit wordlessly, both times he'd previously lost his temper - with the Vulcan bully when he was a child (BTW, I loved the mirror of Spock wailing on the bully in ST'09 and him wailing on Khan at the end of ID) and when Kirk goaded him into attacking him in ST'09. So it does kind of fit previous behaviour.
Surely you meant to write "endearing".
I don't like it though. Sulu and Kirk should have been falling with constant velocity because of atmosphere drag, and for a transporter lock constant velocity and being stationary oughta be the same thing. Particularly, gravitational pull wasn't creating any acceleration to be compensated for by Chekov.
That's perfectly in line with all the forgiveable transporter nonsense that's always been part of Star Trek, and we know transporter technobabble justifies anything and who cares. But the issue is that when you pay too much attention, it makes the poor woman operating the transporter look incompetent. And she wasn't. She was a trained Starfleet officer, who was assigned to the flagship in the crisis. So to be replaced by a 17 year old boy to show her how to compensate for a non-existing acceleration (which even when existing would have been taught in the first year) rubs me the wrong way when I watch the film.
It's not a big deal, and certainly nowhere near the spectacularly embarrassing TMP moment of Scotty replacing Rand. But I wish that when a film is showing someone to have an expertise in a field, it wasn't this common to compromise their expertise with silliness.
(It would have been nice if when they were trying to beam the elders, they lost Spock's mother in a mutual effort to make up for that. But eh.)
OTOH, that also means there is zero problem with the STID scene, which would matter if it wasn't an even bigger "who cares?" moment.
The idea of Spock recreating the Khan scream sounds awful on paper, and I totally understand why people didn't like it, but for me, it worked because Quinto made it work. He sold it with his acting, so no, I didn't laugh, I was emotionally invested in the story and the characters.
Your comment has so much depth.I loved how you referenced kirk feeling old and young again and how he was faced with a no win scenario. you just reminded me of why TWOK is a superior film to Into darkness.
into darkness has faded into the void. TWOK is still a shining classic on so many levels.
After the brilliance of trek 2009, the writers should have never redone any classic trek talk of them trying to react the most famous scene in Trek history and that is Spock death and Shatner being Shatner by screaming.......KHANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Nope.
Yup. Or more accurately, is fading into the void. In a few more years it will have completely faded.
Personally opinion, in the sense that the film is not memorable. we and I mean film fans would not look back in 5, 10 years and say this is a great exceptional film. into darkness did not even make any memorable film list last year, it was just another cool summer film that people enjoyed and moved on from.
trek films like wrath of khan and trek 2009 are already classics, they have made many best film list of all time. into darkness does not and would not have that staying power. it was a fun summer forgettable film.
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I've said before, that Into Darkness is the Quantum of Solace of the Trek movies. A disappointing follow up to a successful reboot film. Maybe with the 50th anniversary coming up the new Trek film will be the Trek equivalent to Skyfall. But after Into Darkness I have no interest in seeing another Star Trek movie ever again.
I'll take the Data floatation device over Alternate Spock's scream anyday.
I watched the film for only the second time yesterday, and it doesn't seem to be made clear of Khan's whereabouts between Spock beating the shit out of him and the "one year later" epilog. I assume he wasn't executed, but how are they going to confine the guy for the rest of his life?
Conveniently leaving it open for a sequel, I guess. I must have been in a self-medicated haze to have missed that.
Could you explain your thought process for making that determination? Is there a specific "mechanism" you use for evaluating and analysing the evidence/data currently available on the movie?
What, 12 months after release, I'd be extremely interested to learn how conclusions like that are arrived at. It'd be useful to me in assesing future releases. Maybe you could post a couple of links?
Cheers.
Well, they'd better make it double quick, apparently Into Darkness is "fading away"
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