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Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by xavier, Jul 12, 2014.

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  1. CorporalClegg

    CorporalClegg Admiral Admiral

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    Star Trek is about as serious as Charlie Chaplin flipping rainbow-colored flapjacks while dancing the Macarena.
     
  2. xavier

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    star trek was serious sci fi to me in the sense that it still drew from real science with a fantasy twist. most of the stuff data said about quantum mechanics was true. I also loved when he had that card club meeting with Hawking, Einstein and Newton.

    star wars has always been the space opera, trek to me was hard core sci fi. so I am not too happy, if it is true that the writers intended into darkness to be a parody
     
  3. Khan 2.0

    Khan 2.0 Commodore Commodore

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    Maybe he should've angrily whispered it... the opposite of TWOK like the death scene..:vulcan:
     
  4. F. King Daniel

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    You're talking about TNG. Is TOS a parody for using the transporter to split Kirk into good and evil halves? That's pure fantasy. Ditto Spock's mind powers, the Genesis device and lots, lots more.
     
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    If anything is space opera, it's TOS. It's Buck Rogers for the 60s.
     
  6. Bry_Sinclair

    Bry_Sinclair Vice Admiral Admiral

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    The calm, calculating, logical approach. I like it.

    Then instead of needlessly beaming down, had Random Transporter Tech #1 scan for augmented human life-signs, lock on and energise, only to then disperse them in high orbit and have his molecules burn up on re-entry. A far less risky alternative.
     
  7. Joel_Kirk

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    I cringed personally...

    Similar to the way I cringed when Kirk, Spock, and McCoy did the 'Row Row Row Your Boat' bit...and when the Picard/Data/Worf singing bit stayed far too long in "Insurrection."
     
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  8. ChristopherPike

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    Literally head in my hands in the cinema. I see what they were trying to do. But coming off the back of Kirk re-enacting the sacrificial role in TWOK, it was suddenly too much for Spock to try and outshat the Shatner. That's a pop culture moment, re-enacted across the web frequently. You don't even need to be a fan to get it.

    It's as obvious a cinematic moment to stir clear of duplicating, as much as "Luke, I am your father." Which had better not wind up repeated in Star Wars Episode VII incidentally... cue Mark Hamill demanding Chewy take a paternity test. :p
     
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  9. T'Girl

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    Cringed.

    And I still wonder why Spock yelled Khan, it was Marcus' actions that resulted in Kirk's (apparent) death, not Khan's.

    :)
     
  10. CorporalClegg

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    This is a prime example of a fan romanticizing the reach of his fandom. That's no fault of yours; it's a common practice. But "KHAAAN!" is a familiar meme recognized by a small niche of people.

    If you omit the Trekkies in the audience, then of the remainder, 6 in 10 people probably didn't pick up on it right away.

    This is exactly my point. "KHAAN!" and "I am your father." aren't even in the same area code.
     
  11. Oso Blanco

    Oso Blanco Commodore Commodore

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    I didn't care at all what was going to happen next because I knew exactly what was going to happen next from the moment when Khan surrendered himself to Kirk. Absoluty no surprises from this moment on!
     
  12. F. King Daniel

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    It was Khan's attack on the defenceless Enterprise after negotiating with Spock which damaged the warp core and sent the ship falling to Earth.
     
  13. BillJ

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    Chekov was unable to get a lock because Khan was moving around.
     
  14. BigJake

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    Shatner's scream is one of the most mainstream-culturally recognizable moments in all of Trek. Why on Earth do you think they recycled the bit or that comedians use it?

    To the OP: I could go with it on a certain level, but yes, I laughed. Kind of with it and kind of at it.
     
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    This would be the same Chekov who got a lock on Kirk and Sulu as they fell (and accelerated) towards the surface of Vulcan?

    It was Admiral Marcus who orchestrated events and make the initial assault on the Enterprise.

    He's the one who was responsible for the course of events.


    :)
     
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  16. BillJ

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    They were moving one way (and could only go one way: down), which is why Chekov was able to beam them up. Khan was moving around in an unpredictable pattern.

    :sigh:

    What's the point anymore?
     
  17. F. King Daniel

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    Khan attacked the helpless Enterprise and crippled the core, therefore he is guilty. Marcus set up the situation, but Khan did not have to attack once he got the torpedoes. He chose to.
     
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    Really.
    So you knew at that point that point that Admiral Marcus was on the Vengeance and that he had set a trap for Kirk?
    And you knew that Khan was going to crush Marcus' skull like a tomato and break Carol's leg?
    And you knew that Khan was going to crash the Vengeance into Earth?

    I mean I saw all the trailers and I never knew all these things were going to happen.
    I knew a big ship was going to crash into Earth but none of the details.
     
  19. xavier

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    Okay so I am not going mad. many people did not like it. i agree as well that comedians use it a lot. i guess it explains why fans did not like it been put in a new trek film but the awkward part is some of the comedians did it better than spock in into darkness.

    perfect example is George from the TV Show Seinfeld.

    I like his Khan scream a lot better than new spock in into darkness.
     
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  20. Cyke101

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    Really didn't like it. It was clearly written, not as a natural next step of the scene, but merely as a shout-out to TWOK, which cheapened Kirk's "death" scene even more (and I thought Pine did okay). Yeah, Spock's character has been established to go off the handle at times, which is set up in the first movie. But yelling out the villain's name is weird; why didn't he do that with Nero? (then again, if he yelled out Nero and then Khan's name, it'd be a running joke. And as it is, Shatner's scream used to be famous primarily among Trekkies, but is now an internet staple.)

    But on a larger scale, it just didn't make any sense to flip Kirk and Spock in that scene, or to reference the TWOK death scene anyway. In TWOK, Spock's death meant a transformation for Kirk -- the guy who cheated the Kobayashi Maru was suddenly faced with a no-win situation that cost his friend his life; in essence, Spock made Kirk "cheat" by taking the fall for his captain. The death of Spock, who dwelt on the meaning of friendship earlier in the movie, meant that Kirk, who for much of the movie had contemplated his age and usefulness, found new life with his friend's passing, to the point where Kirk bookends the movie: when it starts, he tells Bones that he feels old, and when it ends, he tells Carol that he feels young again. It made a ton of narrative sense and brought the movie around full circle.

    But what does yelling out Khan after nuKirk's death do for nuSpock? For Kirk, the guy who earlier bragged that he hadn't lost a single crewman under his command, became the ultimate casualty and saved his ship in the process. He matured from a cocky, dishonest, excuse-making youth to a real captain who did exactly what his father did. That's a good arc, I think. Yet, what that meant for Spock was essentially a scream that undid that impact by triggering memories of a pop culture meme, followed by a can of spinach to beam down and take on Bluto-Khan.
     
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