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Yeah, My Name Is Legion wins the thread.
Woman of the Week #1 - Hillary Clinton
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Yeah, My Name Is Legion wins the thread.
At first I was like
Yeah, My Name Is Legion wins the thread.
LoL! Agreed!
And quite deserving of a
too.
doubleohfive
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At first I was like
Yeah, My Name Is Legion wins the thread.
LoL! Agreed!
And quite deserving of a
x3 Well done.
Also: Hillary is awesome. My dad has interviewed her several times over the years, and has never had anything but the utmost praise for her, personally and professionally.
doubleohfive
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Also: Given the sad news of Dr. Sally Ride's passing away today, I'd like to nominate her for the next Woman of the Week.
NebulaClassGuy
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Granted, I'm only speaking from my own personal opinion/standpoint here, but I think that's due to people simply wanting to avoid any pro or anti-Obama arguments derailing the thread.
Both people are very progressive-minded politicians, but personally, I think Hillary is and would have been far more pragmatic in her approaches to a lot of things, compared to Obama's approach. Again, this is only my own personal opinion, and why I was strongly considering voting for the "better than Obama" option, but ultimately just decided that she'd be a generally good President instead.
I'll second that. I had already suggested Jackie Cochran, who organized the Mercury 13, but Sally Ride would be more timely.
I think she would have been a better president than Obama.
I can't really add much to what has already been said. I voted for option one, as I do believe that she would have been a good, possibly great president. I admit that I was disappointed when she didn't get the nomination, and there is a part of me that thought that if it is still so difficult for a woman to break through the glass ceiling in the business world, maybe a woman president is just an impossible dream.
This fear was reduced when she became secretary of state. She has done an amazing job, and I hold her in the utmost respect.
This fear was reduced when she became secretary of state. She has done an amazing job, and I hold her in the utmost respect.
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For me, I genuinely have no idea if she would have been better than Obama. I think the Clintons have a lot of the same irrational animosity amongst the opposition that Obama has faced (for different reasons), and Hillary might have come up against a similar level of obstructionism as President, especially with the health care issue. Would she have been more successful in pushing her agenda through Congress? I don't know.
That's interesting, because often the criticism that Obama gets (from the Left, and many times unfairly) is that he's too pragmatic, too willing to compromise, like somehow he can magically overcome all partisan obstructionism by making a stirring speech.
NebulaClassGuy
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Well, first off, let me please be clear that I am stating my own personal opinion here, and definitely NOT looking to start a political argument, so just know that in no way am I trying to troll with this reply.
My personal opinion is that Hillary Clinton is simply smarter than Obama in the regard that she is simply less impulsive. I think Hillary is an incredibly bright and calculating woman. I think she knows exactly when to play the cards she has to play with for maximum effect. Obama, on the other hand, I see as too emotional and impatient. I'm sorry, I just do. I think Hillary is far more adept at the art of negotiation and compromise, and she knows when and how to strike to get the result she wants.
Another reason I feel she would have been so much better than Obama, is that she simply has more experience than Obama ever could have hoped to have had, going in. Hillary had already spent eight years in the White House as First Lady, with her husband at the helm. Anyone would be foolish to think that she wasn't watching and learning how things operate in Washington D.C. during those years. So going in, she would have had those eight years to draw upon, plus what she learned of how Bill did things, and what ended up working for him, and what didn't.
So those are my two primary reasons for thinking Hillary would be a better President than Obama. Again, I don't mean to inflame anyone with my words, and hopefully I've came across as civil in tone. I stand by my opinion, and my reasons.
Oh, no, no worries. That didn't even cross my mind. I was genuinely interested in your perspective.
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Amaris
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Agreed. When the whole Woman of the Week threads were announced, one of the first persons I thought of was Sally Ride. Of course, I figured there would be plenty of time to suggest her later. Boy, was I wrong.
I have no love for Bill or Hillary... I believe that any REAL love in their marriage died a long time ago and that their relationship has been one of political convenience and advancement. That in of itself would be reason enough not to vote for her.
As a moderate conservative, I also find myself opposed to many of her beliefs on a political level.
HOWEVER...
I feel she would have ultimately proven to be a better politician and a better president that what we have. Unlike Obama, she had/has the political experience to play the game and go for the throat. His true lack of any leadership experience has hurt him, in many ways, more than anything else.
A McCain/Clinton contest would have been much closer and more fun to watch. Obama, by the virtue of his outside status, well written speeches and, yes, let's just admit it, ability to pull in support because of race, ran away with the election. As close as some of the polls were, there really was no doubt.
Hillary is a shrewd, calculating politician and I think, given half a chance, she could have really delivered some goods...
Just my opinion..
As a moderate conservative, I also find myself opposed to many of her beliefs on a political level.
HOWEVER...
I feel she would have ultimately proven to be a better politician and a better president that what we have. Unlike Obama, she had/has the political experience to play the game and go for the throat. His true lack of any leadership experience has hurt him, in many ways, more than anything else.
A McCain/Clinton contest would have been much closer and more fun to watch. Obama, by the virtue of his outside status, well written speeches and, yes, let's just admit it, ability to pull in support because of race, ran away with the election. As close as some of the polls were, there really was no doubt.
Hillary is a shrewd, calculating politician and I think, given half a chance, she could have really delivered some goods...
Just my opinion..
Uh, no, not really. In fact that's a pretty terrible reason not to vote for someone.
Agreed. In fact I couldn't care less about my politician's private lives. For all I care they could be terrible people. As long as I agree with their policies I'll still vote for them.
There are plenty of nice guys who behave with integrity but would make terrible presidents because their policy ideas suck.
Just playing devils advocate here, but say, if this man still had the reputation he had, but you agreed whole heartily with his policies, would you vote for him?
That man isn't just a terrible person but also did some shady as fuck stuff with his businesses and media empire which directly plays into his policies so he's not really a good example. I said I don't really care how awesome politicians are in their private lives. At least not to the degree many Americans seem to from what I can see.
I guess he's not, and I fully agree with your opinion of him. It was a lazy example and the first that popped into my head.
I guess a better example would be Boris Johnson, he has got a reputation as a "ladies man" and that's got him into bother in the past even though his policies in London have been sound. Personally, even though he's a Tory, I would vote for him if he ever was party leader, things could get interesting with him representing the UK on the World stage full time, not just this glorified sports day the capital is holding in a few days.
I see the points and can understand how some can have them... My opinion, however, is that if I object to the way someone carries their personal life, it can (not necessarily will) have an effect on the way they work their professional life as well. Someone who plays fast and lose behind closed doors may very well do the same in the political arena.
In the same respect, if I have a positive opinion about the way someone carries on in their personal life, that doesn't mean I'm going to arbitrarily vote for them. Bill and Hillary could have a wonderfully fullfiling marriage, but that doesn't change the fact that I disagree with their politics. Someone made the point earlier.. Just because somone leads a good life, doesn't mean they know anything about how to run a country...
That's one of those really "knowing" popular opinions that's been bruited about for a long time based on really thin evidence and a parochial understanding of people. It's supposed to sound wise, but doesn't impress me much.
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