Woman of the Week #1 - Hillary Clinton
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I think she would have made a great president. Although, I don't think I would say she was a better choice than Obama at the time. I do think she is better spoken on certain issues though, and will miss her as SoS. I would love to see her come back with a better campaign in 2016.
I agree with the first part and disagree with the second. I do think she's very experienced and knows how Washington works. On the one hand that's a benefit, on the other hand that means she knows that sometimes it's safer to not voice a clear opinion on something. Politicians do tend to give non-answers to questions at times.
That's what hurt her versus Obama who seemed so open and honest during his campaign although you have to admit that much of the "change"-rhetoric was just hype he couldn't really live up to.
The conservative part of your statement is what I don't really agree with. Sure, seen from Europe all your politicians look conservative and even (most of) your liberals would be considered centre-right in Europe at best.
But I don't think her policies are more conservative than Obama's. She's pro-choice (even though she's against abortion personally), pro-health care, has supported gun control in the past, wants more funding for public education, acknowledges man-made climate change, stresses the importance of the United Nations and multilateralism and has repeatedly supported equal rights for homosexuals (She hasn't publicly endorsed gay marriage but apparently people assume she privately supports it. Just like Obama did until a couple of weeks ago).
In addition to that she wrote:
Hillary Clinton said:
I think after the financial crisis sparked by the unregulated banking sector that spun out of control I find it hard to disagree with that.
She later detailed her view on this:
Hillary Clinton said:
So to me she always looked a bit more like a European Social Democrat than Obama did. Despite all the social rhetoric he's a pretty classic American centre-right liberal.
But these things are hard to judge. Just my two eurocents.
ETA: To be fair she supports the death penalty... which kinda sucks. Silly Americans!
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Let's just say that I'm glad Obama got the nomination. 
Hillary always rubbed me the wrong way. I think Chelsea will make a much better president. 
Also, I don't know if she could have carried the election. Obama really rode through on his Kennedy-like charisma.
Hillary always rubbed me the wrong way. I think Chelsea will make a much better president. Also, I don't know if she could have carried the election. Obama really rode through on his Kennedy-like charisma.
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Intellectually astute. Politically powerful. Compassionate and forthright. Having observed her work as Secretary of State, I have to say Hillary would have made an excellent President. It's amazing how far she has come, and how far she can still go. I have so much respect for her. I am proud that she represents the U.S. to the rest of the world.
I'll tell you one thing; I want to see Hillary go up against the GOP House- they won't know what hit them.
If you know so little about the subject of the thread, and clearly didn't bother to actually read it, why even post?
No, just to ignorants.
I don't want to derail the thread. I apologize for the brusqueness of my comment.
Still, I am not from the US too (as it's apparent from my location field), and I find it rather puzzling that anyone with the access to Internet wouldn't know anything about Hillary Clinton except her being a former First Lady.
Still, I am not from the US too (as it's apparent from my location field), and I find it rather puzzling that anyone with the access to Internet wouldn't know anything about Hillary Clinton except her being a former First Lady.
I suppose...
- studying political science and law
- writing several scholarly publications
- working in non-profit organizations supporting children, the poor, etc
- being the first woman to become full partner of Rose Law Firm
- earning more money than her husband did from 1978 until Bill entered the White House
- being vocal on political issues
- heading a task force for health care reform
- serving two terms as a US senator for a state as important as New York
- becoming Secretary of State in Obama's administration
... is enough to claim she did more than just being married to Bill Clinton. And it's more than most of us will ever achieve.
Since these things are quite well-known and part of them were mentioned in the OP I'm going to assume that I won't have to address this again.
If foreign politicians are of no interest to you... why come here and derail the conversation with confrontati... oh... I get it.
- studying political science and law
- writing several scholarly publications
- working in non-profit organizations supporting children, the poor, etc
- being the first woman to become full partner of Rose Law Firm
- earning more money than her husband did from 1978 until Bill entered the White House
- being vocal on political issues
- heading a task force for health care reform
- serving two terms as a US senator for a state as important as New York
- becoming Secretary of State in Obama's administration
... is enough to claim she did more than just being married to Bill Clinton. And it's more than most of us will ever achieve.
Since these things are quite well-known and part of them were mentioned in the OP I'm going to assume that I won't have to address this again.
If foreign politicians are of no interest to you... why come here and derail the conversation with confrontati... oh... I get it.
Well, according to the (*cough* scientifically valid *cough*) poll in this thread her approval ratings beat those of every president since... uhh... FDR?
I agree with the first part and disagree with the second. I do think she's very experienced and knows how Washington works. On the one hand that's a benefit, on the other hand that means she knows that sometimes it's safer to not voice a clear opinion on something. Politicians do tend to give non-answers to questions at times.
That's what hurt her versus Obama who seemed so open and honest during his campaign although you have to admit that much of the "change"-rhetoric was just hype he couldn't really live up to.
The conservative part of your statement is what I don't really agree with. Sure, seen from Europe all your politicians look conservative and even (most of) your liberals would be considered centre-right in Europe at best.
But I don't think her policies are more conservative than Obama's. She's pro-choice (even though she's against abortion personally), pro-health care, has supported gun control in the past, wants more funding for public education, acknowledges man-made climate change, stresses the importance of the United Nations and multilateralism and has repeatedly supported equal rights for homosexuals (She hasn't publicly endorsed gay marriage but apparently people assume she privately supports it. Just like Obama did until a couple of weeks ago).
In addition to that she wrote:
Hillary Clinton said:
I think after the financial crisis sparked by the unregulated banking sector that spun out of control I find it hard to disagree with that.
She later detailed her view on this:
Hillary Clinton said:
So to me she always looked a bit more like a European Social Democrat than Obama did. Despite all the social rhetoric he's a pretty classic American centre-right liberal.
But these things are hard to judge. Just my two eurocents.
ETA: To be fair she supports the death penalty... which kinda sucks. Silly Americans!
Well, at the time I recall that she was working closely with Joe Lieberman on efforts to censor video games, which annoyed me. This was during her tenure in the Senate. That really rubbed me the wrong way and carried over into her Presidential campaign. There was also, like you said, her tendency not to give clear answers. I found that really frustrating. Obama was better at articulating clear positions while campaigning.
I think, as President, she wouldn't have been any worse than Obama, and possibly might have been better, not least because of her inside knowledge of DC. One of the criticisms I've heard leveled against Obama is that he brought his own people from Chicago and didn't really buy into the DC network, and that has probably hurt him in terms of getting what he wanted out of Congress. Clinton probably would've been a better bridge-builder there. Hard telling what kind of foreign policy she might have run.
I don't think she'd have been a bad President, by any stretch, I just liked Obama better. I think she's been quite a good Secretary of State, too, especially in her approach toward the Arab Spring.
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Eh, I didn't let stuff like that effect me as much. I look at it the same way I do when a candidate puts on a flannel shirt with rolled up sleeves and stands around other people with flannel shirts and rolled up sleeves.
Also, a hard hat.
I was never a big fan of Hillary, and never understood why she stood by Bill and let herself be humiliated. Did she want her turn at the political table that much? 
She has been a good Secretary of State and has impressed me enough so that I now wish she had been the Presidential candidate instead of Obama, who is (to me) Jimmy Carter II. She would have done a better job.
I still think that she needs to kick Bill to the curb though. She can now make it without him.
She has been a good Secretary of State and has impressed me enough so that I now wish she had been the Presidential candidate instead of Obama, who is (to me) Jimmy Carter II. She would have done a better job.
I still think that she needs to kick Bill to the curb though. She can now make it without him.
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