SPOILERS!!! NEW AICN RUMORS (APRIL 30)

[Agent Richard07]

So, will the title be Star Trek Vengeance? As in "The Vengeance of Khan"?

 

[indranee]

They got Brent Spiner to play the Drs. Soong, when originally they wanted Chinese-born "...actor Keye Luke (who previously appeared as Donald Cory in TOS: "Whom Gods Destroy") in TNG: "Brothers", but the 86-year-old Luke was either unavailable or unwilling for the part. He died only a few months after the broadcast of the episode..." (Memory Alpha) So there is a precedent for casting against ethnicity, if someone would be looking for a rationalization...

Jeri!!!

Wait, I actually forgot all about that. What was Dr. Soong's ethnicity supposed to have been, originally?

 

[Trekkie2]

Wasn't TrekMovie and that other site reporting that Del Toro was for certain, without a doubt, you can count on it, going to play Khan? Maybe they're throwing out bones just to throw us off the track. Any which way, come June, when the trailer comes out at Comic Con, we should know for sure, whether to spend or save money and wait for the DVD to come out.

Does this mean that McGiver is going to be a black Argentinian? I mean, since they're going pasty for Khan....

 

[indranee]

god and JJ only know. JJ's f**ked with our heads before, remember? He loves that shit. I can see him laughing his head off right now if this is all an elaborate hoax.

 

[Franklin]

My fingers are crossed, but I doubt we'll hear a defiant to the end Cumberbatch quoting Melville with the last fiery breath of his life.

Whatever is going on, the conflict won't carry the personal emotional edge TWOK did. It can't. And that's the danger the movie faces. Will it work without it? Khan v. Kirk in TWOK was real. What motivates Khan v. Kirk this time that will be as convincing and gripping? I hope this time it doesn't feel contrived. And, if it doesn't exist at all, then why was Khan specifically needed this time?

 

[Jeri]

They got Brent Spiner to play the Drs. Soong, when originally they wanted Chinese-born "...actor Keye Luke (who previously appeared as Donald Cory in TOS: "Whom Gods Destroy") in TNG: "Brothers", but the 86-year-old Luke was either unavailable or unwilling for the part. He died only a few months after the broadcast of the episode..." (Memory Alpha) So there is a precedent for casting against ethnicity, if someone would be looking for a rationalization...

Jeri!!!

Wait, I actually forgot all about that. What was Dr. Soong's ethnicity supposed to have been, originally?

(love your avatar) -- wiki says about the Soong surname, "…Song is the pinyin transliteration of the Chinese family name 宋. It is transliterated as Sung in Wade-Giles, and Soong is also a common transliteration…"

 

[Trekkie2]

And I just thought, Carol Marcus could be Asiatic. Gary Mitchell, if he's alive, Native American. Harry Mudd, hmmmm, let's see, that's a tough one. He should have a white moustache and beard and look like Santa Claus.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

OF course he could be called Soong because of people changing their name in marriage, and have either very little or zero of the ethnicity it implies.

Whatever is going on, the conflict won't carry the personal emotional edge TWOK did. It can't. And that's the danger the movie faces. Will it work without it? Khan v. Kirk in TWOK was real. What motivates Khan v. Kirk this time that will be as convincing and gripping? I hope this time it doesn't feel contrived. And, if it doesn't exist at all, then why was Khan specifically needed this time?

Oh don't say this, now you're making me worried.

:: waves to Jeri ::

 

[Trekkie2]

My fingers are crossed, but I doubt we'll hear a defiant to the end Cumberbatch quoting Melville with the last fiery breath of his life.

Whatever is going on, the conflict won't carry the personal emotional edge TWOK did. It can't. And that's the danger the movie faces. Will it work without it? Khan v. Kirk in TWOK was real. What motivates Khan v. Kirk this time that will be as convincing and gripping? I hope this time it doesn't feel contrived. And, if it doesn't exist at all, then why was Khan specifically needed this time?

But it's going to be Khan vs. Spock because that's who he's fighting in the pictures. Right?

 

[indranee]

My fingers are crossed, but I doubt we'll hear a defiant to the end Cumberbatch quoting Melville with the last fiery breath of his life.

Whatever is going on, the conflict won't carry the personal emotional edge TWOK did. It can't. And that's the danger the movie faces. Will it work without it? Khan v. Kirk in TWOK was real. What motivates Khan v. Kirk this time that will be as convincing and gripping? I hope this time it doesn't feel contrived...

THIS. Whatever happens, I hope it's not a blind copy of TWOK. That movie had flaws, but what they got right was so very near-perfect that the flaws fade in comparison.

 

[indranee]

They got Brent Spiner to play the Drs. Soong, when originally they wanted Chinese-born "...actor Keye Luke (who previously appeared as Donald Cory in TOS: "Whom Gods Destroy") in TNG: "Brothers", but the 86-year-old Luke was either unavailable or unwilling for the part. He died only a few months after the broadcast of the episode..." (Memory Alpha) So there is a precedent for casting against ethnicity, if someone would be looking for a rationalization...

Jeri!!!

Wait, I actually forgot all about that. What was Dr. Soong's ethnicity supposed to have been, originally?

(love your avatar) -- wiki says about the Soong surname, "…Song is the pinyin transliteration of the Chinese family name 宋. It is transliterated as Sung in Wade-Giles, and Soong is also a common transliteration…"

okay, that makes sense. Right, so Spiner's obviously not a perfectly imagined Soong

 

[Jeri]

OF course he could be called Soong because of people changing their name in marriage, and have either very little or zero of the ethnicity it implies.

:: waves to Jeri ::

That's what I assumed about Spiner's Soongs.

Greetings, Ms. Teacake. I'm present and ready to be spoiled now.

P.S. Indranee, right.

 

[FarStrider]

My question is, why are these rumors coming out now? For nearly 5 months, the secrecy surrounding this project has been nearly impenetrable? They get to the last week of filming and suddenly there is a leak? I don't get it. . . So what has changed? Does it mean a teaser trailer is definitely coming out soon and they couldn't withhold information any longer? Is this a preemptive strike on the part of JJ and Co? I'm not really worried about Khan. . .The movie won't be a remake of WoK; it will probably be Space Seed reimagined. . . in a big way. . .


~FS

 

[Saul]

And who cares if he isn't the right ethnic type? The original actor wasn't, either.

Times were a lot different then. There weren't as many ethnic actors that were easily accessible. It was easier to accept then than it is now when there are many actors available who more fit the role. Plus, it wasn't a huge contrast because he at least wasn't pasty.

It would be like if they cast Sulu as a white guy. Yeah, it probably doesn't really matter if they would have, but it seems off to do so.

But casting a non Japanese actor as Sulu is ok because? People think Asians all look the same and nobody would notice?
I think casting an actor that is suitable for the character is more important.
Khan's name came from some guy Gene knew who was from Singapore anyway.

 

[Dick Whitman]

I am also dubious about these rumors being true. Why? All this stuff has been out there already. There are no new details to flesh out the existing rumors.

 

[Smoked Salmon]

Many people from northern India are just as white as northern Europeans. They are in facts aryans. Where the original 'white' people came from is northern India. They of course wouldnt be blond or blue eyed and Cumberbatch is not blond and his eyes if blue could be changed with contacts.

Actually the original aryans come from Persia, but anyway...


Big, big reservation from me about Khan. It just stinks of lack of creativity. Why reboot the universe and free yourself up from canon, only to go back and use old villans?

Also, why does Nimoy needs to be in this? Don't get me wrong, I am a TOS fan first and foremost. I've been a fan since before TNG. But I can't helo feeling that now that they have go to the trouble of recasting the crew, is it not time that Quito be able to come out of Nimoy's shadow?

 

[C.E. Evans]

"To boldly go where others have gone before?"

 

[ROBE]

I love Cumberbatch however he is not ethnic Khan, the Sulu arguement is silly, Sulu was meant to be of mixed Asian background anyway. The cast don't have to be the same ethnic backgrounds as their characters but they should at least look it.
Kirk and McCoy are meant to be white Americans, Scotty white Scottish, Uhura black African etc.

 

[Maurice]

Regardless of what "Khan" it turns out to be, if any, I've gotta say always been perplexed by this fascination some fans have for the character. When I watched the show as a kid Khan never stood out any more than Kor or Kang or many other guest baddies. In fact, I don't recall the character getting much interest from my fellow fans until TWOK, albeit I'm not saying that's true outside my circle. The character was a vaguely charismatic thug. He was blandly written in TWOK, where he served more as a plot device than a character.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I have now adjusted to these facts:

Khan is going to be ST:XII. ST:XII is going to about Khan. No I didn't want ST:XII to have or be about Khan in any way.

Cumberbatch, an actor who I find repulsive to look at, so repulsive I don't watch Sherlock will be Khan.

I have adjusted and I have decided that ST:XII is going to be AWESOME. JJ took on the mantle of TOS and he not only pulled it off he gave us the greatest most wonderful movie ever, a movie I am completely IN LOVE with. If he can pull off rebooting the greatest sci fi crew of all time why would he be any less wonderful when he reboots Khan? It's not "no imagination" it's, Khan is so epic lets reboot him into something that takes the fans breath away. Let's manage to both reboot and do a tribute to this man of infamy who had such an impact on James T. Kirk's life.

It will be dark and at the end of this film Kirk will have faced something that wrenches a lot more from him than just an angry Romulan with a big ship did. We are going to see big time character development.