All of this could just as well mean that the Risans could be close friends/allies with the Federation, and that the latter could have shared their weather control technology, but not actually have them IN the UFP.
Need I remind you that SF officers helped alien vessels repair their damaged systems on occasion and used their own components/technology (which was at times left in the aliens possession) to do it?
Actually, my response was: we don't even know if the Vulcan merchant who sold Tuvok the meditation lamp was inside Federation territory. It's possible he/she was situated elswhere, or operating within an economical system of a species where money exists.
That wasn't an assumption, I was stating a possible theory (subject to change) that maintains 'money doesn't exist' (at least within the confines of the UFP moneyless system). I was presenting other possibilities... I wasn't stating that it WAS as I described.
Point is, we got 0 details on that specific 'meditation lamp' in a sense... where did this take place? Was the 'price' Janeway referred to actual money/currency, or did Tuvok simply give another material in a certain quantity to get the meditation lamp (bartering)?
The term 'price' was loosely used in Trek and in most situations that can also be applied to bartering, such as the following:
I'll give you the meditation lamp for those 2 commbadges you have. That's my 'price' or 'value' for the lamp.
You are the one apparently assuming that 'price' and associated aspects have anything to do with the terms we use in real life today. I am merely pointing out that we had 0 mention regarding the details, and that making a blatant assumption that 'price' means the same as in 'there's money involved' especially when we lack details about the encounter would be foolish.
You can theorize about it yes, and I accept the possibility that your interpretation could be accurate, HOWEVER, I was presenting another possibility that equally explains what MIGHT have happened.
It's your opinion in a sense that you interpreted in a way that YOU see the world.
Can you say with certainty that it was the writers intent to mean that those terms mean the same thing as they do today?
The same writers who made a ton of blatant and idiotic dumbing downs of technology in DS9 so that 'drama' would flourish?
I'm mildly disgusted at what they did, but that's my perception of the show - and it can change.
And who cares if Jake Sisko is the 'owner' of the restaurant?
He could have started the place and his trade and the government/system/whatever could have recognizes it as his.
He's the 'founder' of that establishment, so why wouldn't it be perceived as 'his'? Again, that doesn't mean 'money' needs to be involved.
Give me a break.
So, let's see how many words have to change meaning for your personal version of Star Trek to exist, there's bank, account, (and "bank account"), restaurant, business, job, what other words have to be changed Deks, for your vision to persist?
There's buy, ---------as in boat.
There's sold, ---------as in house.
There's price, -------as in pay a fair price to the miners for their dilithium.
There's financier, ---as in Mr.Brock is one.
There's purchased, -as in Mr. Brock purchased a planet.
There's pay, ----------as in McCoy can pay to go to genesis.
There's invest, -------as in how much Starfleet has invested in Spock's training.
There's earned, ------as in Scotty earned his pay
There's fortunes, ----as in Carter Winston acquired a dozen fortunes.
There's fine, ----------as in what Quark paid to get Gaila released
There's spent, --------as in the Federation has spent a lot of money on our training.
I'm going to love reading your explaination of that last one in the "new economy" that existed after the 22nd century.
Actual per Tom Paris, the same guy who said "faster than light, no left or right."
Wouldn't it be much simpler, to mildly change the meaning of just one word? Money. The episode In The Cards, Nog said that Humans had abandoned a currency-based economy. But not a monetary-based economy. When the piano player asked Rike to drop some coins in her tip jar, he said I don't carry money, implying that to Riker money is something which is carried, that has physical form, currency. If value in the 24th century exist only in electronic form, then there is no physical currency. No "money."
Oh, for the love of man... you still don't get it do you?
I'll give you a hint:
'Personal interpretation'.
Terms, perceptions, opinions and what we saw on-screen are/were all interpreted individually (each person has their own little definition of specific terms ... what may mean something to you can mean something entirely different to someone else - I was trying to get you see that).
I was merely presenting a possibility (not a 'fact' or an 'assumption') other than the one that maintains the notion that money HAS to exist in the fictional Trek future for majority of humans simply because it exists in real life today, and it's 'REAL' (which, again is such a 'relative' term it's not even funny).
Are you by any chance incapable of perceiving other possibilities (opening your mind to accept the very small chance that there's an explanation equally valid to your own?) or interpreting same things in different ways?
