Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek Xl?
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Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek
Either defend your stance or shut the hell up!
Either defend your stance or shut the hell up!
Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek
Fine... if anything there is a much stronger case to base a new series from something that has proven to be a strong financial and critical success than from a version of the franchise who has seen constantly diminishing results for the past 20 years such as declining ratings, financial failures, and increasing criticism.
Anything else?
Didn't think so.
Fine... if anything there is a much stronger case to base a new series from something that has proven to be a strong financial and critical success than from a version of the franchise who has seen constantly diminishing results for the past 20 years such as declining ratings, financial failures, and increasing criticism.
Anything else?
Didn't think so.
Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek
My guess is that the next TV show will be based on TOS and at the same time will have nothing to do with Abrams' movies.
My guess is that the next TV show will be based on TOS and at the same time will have nothing to do with Abrams' movies.
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Exactly. The money wasn't going to garner any ratings boost, which is what they really need if they want to keep advertisers happy (who more or less can dictate if a show stays on the air.)
Exactly. The money wasn't going to garner any ratings boost, which is what they really need if they want to keep advertisers happy (who more or less can dictate if a show stays on the air.)
Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek
You haven't made your case. Only stated that there's a case to be made.
So make it.
Fine... if anything there is a much stronger case to base a new series from something that has proven to be a strong financial and critical success than from a version of the franchise who has seen constantly diminishing results for the past 20 years such as declining ratings, financial failures, and increasing criticism.
Anything else?
Didn't think so.
You haven't made your case. Only stated that there's a case to be made.
So make it.
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Just did kid.
Fine... if anything there is a much stronger case to base a new series from something that has proven to be a strong financial and critical success than from a version of the franchise who has seen constantly diminishing results for the past 20 years such as declining ratings, financial failures, and increasing criticism.
Anything else?
Didn't think so.
You haven't made your case. Only stated that there's a case to be made.
So make it.
Just did kid.
darkwing_duck1
Vice Admiral
Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek
The buzz on ENT S4 was very positive. Old viewers were checking back in and liking what they saw. Word was spreading.
Coto and the Reeves-Stevenses should have been given another season to complete the "turn around". Instead, CBS cut it off at the knees publicity wise by publicly dumping the show just as the good press upswing was taking off.
The buzz on ENT S4 was very positive. Old viewers were checking back in and liking what they saw. Word was spreading.
Coto and the Reeves-Stevenses should have been given another season to complete the "turn around". Instead, CBS cut it off at the knees publicity wise by publicly dumping the show just as the good press upswing was taking off.
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Apparently not quick enough. It was on average the worst rated season and saw some of the series lowest ratings.
Apparently not quick enough. It was on average the worst rated season and saw some of the series lowest ratings.
darkwing_duck1
Vice Admiral
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They couldn't turn the show around "on a dime". It takes time to rebuild once you have a perception of something as being on the wane.
Yet they WERE doing it. Buzz was turning positive. Old viewers WERE starting to check back in. The people that were on the production end saw at least a 50/50 shot as late as mid-season, right before the hammer fell.
That Hammer was Les "I hate sci-fi, and esp Star Trek" Moonives. He wanted the show gone, and he got rid of it.
They couldn't turn the show around "on a dime". It takes time to rebuild once you have a perception of something as being on the wane.
Yet they WERE doing it. Buzz was turning positive. Old viewers WERE starting to check back in. The people that were on the production end saw at least a 50/50 shot as late as mid-season, right before the hammer fell.
That Hammer was Les "I hate sci-fi, and esp Star Trek" Moonives. He wanted the show gone, and he got rid of it.
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What results did that produce? Were the old fans just checking out one episode and deciding they would just wait it out until the next season? They didn't help anything since the season, on average, saw continuing declining ratings.
He wouldn't hate it if it was actually making the network money!
What results did that produce? Were the old fans just checking out one episode and deciding they would just wait it out until the next season? They didn't help anything since the season, on average, saw continuing declining ratings.
He wouldn't hate it if it was actually making the network money!
darkwing_duck1
Vice Admiral
Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek
You can't reverse 3 seasons of bad buzz in a couple of episodes. Ratings are a "lagging indicator", all the outside indicators were on a decided upswing.
No, he would in any event. Moonives' hatred of "high concept" shows in general, and sci-fi in particular, is well known.
Look at what CBS puts out: procedurals, realitv and a few sitcoms. All low concept. All "safe". All designed to play to a single demo to maximize cost per ratings point.
You can't reverse 3 seasons of bad buzz in a couple of episodes. Ratings are a "lagging indicator", all the outside indicators were on a decided upswing.
No, he would in any event. Moonives' hatred of "high concept" shows in general, and sci-fi in particular, is well known.
Look at what CBS puts out: procedurals, realitv and a few sitcoms. All low concept. All "safe". All designed to play to a single demo to maximize cost per ratings point.
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But there were no results to show for it unfortunately. They had all season, and the momentum of season 3 which was considered the "start of the upswing." They had given Enterprise 4 chances, each season. And it was met with diminishing returns. The series finale didn't even garner enough of a ratings boost worth speaking of. Nothing was happening, no matter what. If old viewers were tuning back in, then several times as many old viewers were leaving.
Some of CBS's shows are no more "low concept" than Enterprise was. He will put shows on that will make CBS money, plain and simple. When it comes to money, he'll gladly accept it. He's a business man. If the ratings are there, he'll gladly accept. If Enterprise was knocking the competition down left and right then he would gladly be a Star Trek fan. It wasn't.
But there were no results to show for it unfortunately. They had all season, and the momentum of season 3 which was considered the "start of the upswing." They had given Enterprise 4 chances, each season. And it was met with diminishing returns. The series finale didn't even garner enough of a ratings boost worth speaking of. Nothing was happening, no matter what. If old viewers were tuning back in, then several times as many old viewers were leaving.
Some of CBS's shows are no more "low concept" than Enterprise was. He will put shows on that will make CBS money, plain and simple. When it comes to money, he'll gladly accept it. He's a business man. If the ratings are there, he'll gladly accept. If Enterprise was knocking the competition down left and right then he would gladly be a Star Trek fan. It wasn't.
Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek
Who the hell considered S3 "the start of the upswing"? From my side of the ballpark, S3 was the last straw and I found something else to watch that year.
Who the hell considered S3 "the start of the upswing"? From my side of the ballpark, S3 was the last straw and I found something else to watch that year.
Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek
Sayin' it ain't doin' it, smartass.
Fine... if anything there is a much stronger case to base a new series from something that has proven to be a strong financial and critical success than from a version of the franchise who has seen constantly diminishing results for the past 20 years such as declining ratings, financial failures, and increasing criticism.
Anything else?
Didn't think so.
You haven't made your case. Only stated that there's a case to be made.
So make it.
Just did kid.
Sayin' it ain't doin' it, smartass.
Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek
Looking back here, Captain, I'd say that he's made as much of a case as you have, but that's really beside the point, isn't it? You both need to take a step back; you're becoming just a little too involved in tweaking each other, and it's becoming boring for everyone else.
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Hm, I find it entertaining.
Hm, I find it entertaining.
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If you believe Brent Spiner, then Moonves hates anything Sci Fi and is happy if he can get rid of it. Even business men have personal motivations that have nothing to do with financials.
If you believe Brent Spiner, then Moonves hates anything Sci Fi and is happy if he can get rid of it. Even business men have personal motivations that have nothing to do with financials.
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