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Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek Xl?

Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek Xl?


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Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek

personally i think that the reboot was a death sentence to any potential series. if two more movies are planned (aka rumored) i doubt they invest the money in a series. and it takes what? 2 years to make a movie from scratch? so minimum 3-4 years until we even hear a rumor about a series in on tv...
 
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And that delights you to no end, doesn't it?

LOL, persecution complex.

More like a comment on Dennis' usual snarky attitude towards TOS.

However, the fact that Pocket continues to produce books based on the original timeline sort of proves you wrong. "OldTrek" may not be raising the roof these days, but it's far from dead.

:rolleyes: Typical grasping for straws logic.

There's also the matter of merchandizing. TOS stuff still sells while NuTrek stuff languishes on the clearance racks.

The division of rights between Paramount and CBS makes it more likely that any new series would be based upon the original timeline, because that's the part that CBS owns.

Why would they waste time making a show set in a world that did so poorly before?

Four spinoff series, ten movies, about a billion dollars a year for Paramount...yeah, what a failure. They should devote their time and energy towards a remake of "My Mother the Car."

Simple economics; it's cheaper for CBS to produce a show that they don't have to pay the other side of the house for.

Its also more profitable to produce a new show on, y'know, the universe that's actually popular at the moment and that the current audience actually gives a shit about currently. Simple economics.

Not when a significant portion of the money involved, instead of being devoted towards the actual production, is funnelled over to the rights holder. Same goes for any income derived from that production, it'd have to be split with the other side of the house, whereas if they don't have to pay anybody for the rights, they get to keep a larger share of the money. Besides, considering how fast JJ's little opus dropped off the standings once the next flavor of the month came along, I wouldn't put too much faith in what the current audience gives a shit about. It's a fact of life as long lived as the theatre itself, the general audience is extremely fickle.

Again, it's quite simple. CBS/Paramount owns TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, and the previous features outright. And those shows continue to have devoted followings.

Paramount Pictures owns NuTrek, and has yet to establish a following anywhere nearly as devoted as the old guard.

Why pay another farmer to milk one of their cows when you've already got a herd of your own that you can milk for free? And your herd has a more loyal clientele than the other guys?
 
Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek

Paramount and Bad Robot are doing the movies and CBS does Paramount have a part in making a new Trek tv series just a thought?
 
Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek

Several years ago, Sumner Redstone, the head of Viacom, did his King Solomon imitation and divided his kingdom in two, CBS/Paramout, for the tv and advertising operations, and Paramount Pictures, for the movie stuff. This produced a bit of a quandry with regard to Star Trek, because it straddled both areas, so an interesting solution was enacted. CBS would get the tv part of the franchise (and since the movies to that point all derived from the tv shows, they got those, too), Paramount would get any future movies.

That's why we got a reboot movie, so that Paramount could have a Star Trek of their very own, and they wouldn't have to share with CBS. And is also probably the key reason why we won't get a tv series based on the new movie.
 
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CBS has no motive to think twice or even once about Star Trek. They have very few slots they need to fill next season because their strategy of hewing to police procedurals, sitcoms and reality TV is working out very well and cancellations are not merited. Maybe someday this strategy will no longer work - their audience ain't getting any younger - but that's not even on the horizon yet.

So if you were in charge of CBS, why would you bother with a real outlier like Star Trek? It's not part of your strategy. The audience for Star Trek isn't your audience, which will make it hard to cross-promote. Pushing Star Trek isn't going to help your career. The only shows that get made are the ones that help someone's career.

Which makes one wonder why CBS owns it in the first place.

I don't know either. If they have no plans to use it, they should sell it. It's not making them any money the way things are now, and there's no prospect of that changing.

But I wonder if they could sell it, considering Paramount certainly wants to hang onto the movie franchise - and that would put the TV and movie franchises in different hands - that would never fly - so CBS and Star Trek are stuck with each other.

The only way a new TV series will be done is to borrow heavily from what Abrams did. OldTrek is dead.

However, the fact that Pocket continues to produce books based on the original timeline sort of proves you wrong. "OldTrek" may not be raising the roof these days, but it's far from dead.

The division of rights between Paramount and CBS makes it more likely that any new series would be based upon the original timeline, because that's the part that CBS owns.

Simple economics; it's cheaper for CBS to produce a show that they don't have to pay the other side of the house for.

What works in the book industry is not necessarily relevant to TV or movies (and TV and movies are not necessarily relevant to each other) - those are vastly different industries.

For CBS to take interest in Star Trek at all, they would need to think they can make some $$$ off it that they can't from another CSI spinoff. Abrams Trek vs Old Trek is a minor issue. However, I think they'd opt for Abrams Trek - expensive, higher profile, more possible profit - vs Old Trek - less expensive, lower profile, less possible profit. Ya gotta spend money to make money.

One way to get around this is to introduce a new character and a ship (from the distant future or ancient past) that is not bound to one quadrant, or timeline... or universe. One minute the gang is on a mission in the Sixties TOS universe, the next they're on the Abramsprise, bumping into Spock.
It would be difficult to communicate to audiences that you are dealing with two different realities, unless the 60s TOS actually looks like TOS did, with the beehive hairdo's and all, and then the audience will think you're trying to be funny. Different universes have got to be more blatant - MU vs regular universe. If you ask the average Trek XI viewer what universe that movie took place in, you'd get a blank look. I don't think that nuance necessarily got across at all. Really, what the TV show needs is to look and feel like Trek XI did, and have Chris Pine or Zachary Quinto show up in ratings-boosting cameos. And of course, Vulcan has to stay blowed up - that's one element that would confuse the audience if changed. But a visit to an alternate reality where Vulcan still exists is not out of the question. Whether that's the original universe or another one won't matter much to the audience.

This produced a bit of a quandry with regard to Star Trek, because it straddled both areas, so an interesting solution was enacted. CBS would get the tv part of the franchise (and since the movies to that point all derived from the tv shows, they got those, too), Paramount would get any future movies.

Is there anything stopping Paramount from producing a TV series? They're the ones with the motive to capitalize on Trek. CBS will never bother.
 
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There's also the matter of merchandizing. TOS stuff still sells while NuTrek stuff languishes on the clearance racks.

It's hilarious that you're grasping for dear life on to this.

Four spinoff series, ten movies, about a billion dollars a year for Paramount...yeah, what a failure.

He said they did "poorly." Star Trek's television success stories are a thing of the past, and have been for 15-20 years.
 
Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek

Or they could pick at a subject that everyone loves; Captain Robau.

Star Trek: Kelvin, anyone?
 
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For CBS to take interest in Star Trek at all, they would need to think they can make some $$$ off it that they can't from another CSI spinoff. Abrams Trek vs Old Trek is a minor issue. However, I think they'd opt for Abrams Trek - expensive, higher profile, more possible profit - vs Old Trek - less expensive, lower profile, less possible profit. Ya gotta spend money to make money.

In television, just as in real life, the goal is to make a ton of money while spending as little as possible; that's why reality shows and game shows are steadily pushing out scripted shows, they pull in high ratings (read "major advertising bucks") and they're dirt cheap to produce.

If CBS is going to produce a Star Trek series, they're not about to go pay Paramount for the privilege, especially when they've already got a Star Trek of their own. Likewise with Paramount, and why they went the reboot route, so that they could have a Star Trek of their own, and they wouldn't have to negotiate with CBS if they wanted to make a Star Trek movie.

Is there anything stopping Paramount from producing a TV series? They're the ones with the motive to capitalize on Trek. CBS will never bother.
No television division. That was part of the "cut the baby in two" solution that Redstone decreed.
 
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Is there anything stopping Paramount from producing a TV series?
The lack of a television production division.

CBS eliminated the last remnants of Paramount Television in 2009.

Is there anything stopping Paramount from producing a TV series? They're the ones with the motive to capitalize on Trek.

CBS will never bother.

No television division. That was part of the "cut the baby in two" solution that Redstone decreed.

Fuck that shit, I say; simply bring back Paramount Television as a division of CBS, much like Showtime is now. Problem solved.
 
Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek

They just got through folding Paramount Television into CBS. Now you want them to undo all that? The costs in new stationery alone would be ridiculous...
 
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Is there anything stopping Paramount from producing a TV series?
The lack of a television production division.

CBS eliminated the last remnants of Paramount Television in 2009.



CBS will never bother.

No television division. That was part of the "cut the baby in two" solution that Redstone decreed.

Fuck that shit, I say; simply bring back Paramount Television as a division of CBS, much like Showtime is now. Problem solved.
Except that Paramount Television is dead :lol:. CBS owns (and has rebranded) all the former Paramount TV shows--including all the Star Trek TV shows--and actually spent two years (2007-2009) gradually phasing Paramount out of the television business.

I think Paramount even lost the TV studio lots and soundstages to CBS...
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They just got through folding Paramount Television into CBS. Now you want them to undo all that? The costs in new stationery alone would be ridiculous...
Still no love lost between CBS and Paramount apparently.
 
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Or they could pick at a subject that everyone loves; Captain Robau.

Star Trek: Kelvin, anyone?
People'd just b**** that there's no point to a Robeau story, since everyone knows what ultimately happens to him.
 
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Considering that somebody in control nixed four ST09 novels at the last minute (which didn't exactly endear themselves to Pocket Books), it's becoming clear that they want absolute control over the product that comes out under this banner.

As far as this timeline is concerned, we're talking movies and, maybe, tie-in material related to those movies.
 
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Is there anything stopping Paramount from producing a TV series?
The lack of a television production division.

CBS eliminated the last remnants of Paramount Television in 2009.

Is there anything stopping Paramount from launching a TV division if the Big Boss let them?

I know this is probably futile, and corporations don't jump through hoops like that just because we want to find a way to get a show back on the air. CBS is doing just fine with their TV production as it is now configured. They can happily ignore Star Trek forever. There's no reason to believe Paramount cares about TV production at all.

If CBS is going to produce a Star Trek series, they're not about to go pay Paramount for the privilege, especially when they've already got a Star Trek of their own.
But the Star Trek they have isn't as likely to make money as the Star Trek Paramount has.

And why would CBS need to pay Paramount for anything? They could simply proceed with making Star Trek, with the knowledge that they are continuing the JJ Abrams universe, but since the movie actors aren't going to be regular characters, perhaps not appear at all, this would be conveyed through the look of the show (scaled down version of Trek XI aesthetics).

They would refrain from mentioning a planet named Vulcan. Or maybe they can - who's to say whether the survivors might not find a new planet that looks just like Vasquez Rocks (after all, there's a part of Earth that looks ust like Vasquez Rocks, so it's hardly unique ;)) and name it "Vulcan"? Paramount doesn't need to tell the audience overtly what they're doing. They just need to avoid confusing the audience who's going to expect something that doesn't contradict the movie, to the extent they even remember what happened in the movie after a coupla years.

As far as this timeline is concerned, we're talking movies and, maybe, tie-in material related to those movies.
I'm sure they'll commence publishing the novels again. They might even do novels for each timeline. Why the heck not? Novels are cheap to produce and there's a market for them. But yeah you're right that Star Trek on TV seems unlikely right now. Big unlikely structural changes would be needed before it can happen because CBS has no motive to bother with it.
 
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Is there anything stopping Paramount from producing a TV series?
The lack of a television production division.

CBS eliminated the last remnants of Paramount Television in 2009.

Is there anything stopping Paramount from launching a TV division if the Big Boss let them?
Paramount actually are partners with MGM and Lionsgate in the recently launched EPIX premium cable television network. And while they're currently focusing on the movies from their combined film libraries, I believe future plans are to eventually branch out into joint original productions, including ongoing series like HBO and Showtime are currently doing.

But I personally would not expect to see a new Paramount-produced Star Trek series on EPIX because Paramount co-created EPIX to compete against CBS' Showtime, and even took away their film library from Showtime. Showtime no longer has direct access to Paramount movies, including the eleven current Star Trek movies (they'll be airing on EPIX and anywhere else Paramount has a movie broadcast deal with instead).

Regardless to say, this makes the odds of CBS giving anything to EPIX (Showtime's new competition) unlikely...

One of the reasons why CBS and Paramount were split was because they couldn't play nice together, and apparently they still aren't.
 
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So, CBS proceeding with a Star Trek series based upon the movies, and thus giving Paramount an open invitation to sue the bejeezus out of 'em, is about as likely as Gene Roddenberry rising from the dead and pitching "Star Trek: The Next Next Generation"...
 
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As I said, if they don't care for Star Trek: The Franchise, sell the rights to someone who does give a shit, i.e. Lucasfilm or maybe even Amblin or Imagine! Power Rangers was recently bought back by Haim Saban; maybe something like this could happen with Star Trek.
 
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Not unless CBS thinks there is no more money to be made off Star Trek at all. Even if they don't do anything further with it as far as onscreen productions, they can continue to make money from Trek through their licensing division (which is probably what CBS considers Trek really important for these days, IMO).
 
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