Watched it a 3rd time -- it's great!!

[Cheapjack]

It IS rewatchable, and I'm starting to get the hang of it.

I think no12 will be nothing like it. Would like to see these characters lose it a bit, though. They're still very decent and controlled. 2010 people can be spiteful and jealous and greedy and contrary and materialistic and I think some of this could be shown in ST,when they lose it, to make people identify a bit more.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Wow.

 

[iluthradanar]

It IS rewatchable! I watched it for the 9th time this weekend past, and thought as soon as I reach a dull moment, I'll go get something to drink. I had to hit pause because the scenes run right into one another, making for never a dull moment viewing.

The future is supposed to be better, with no poverty or disease, making for kinder, gentler people on the whole. We can already identify with Kirk's cheating, McCoy's divorce bitterness, and Spock's losses. Why make them less than the stalwart people we've come to love?

 

[Cheapjack]

Just a thought. I just thought that a little glimpse of the animal within might not go amiss.

 

[darkshadow0001]

It IS rewatchable, and I'm starting to get the hang of it.

I think no12 will be nothing like it. Would like to see these characters lose it a bit, though. They're still very decent and controlled. 2010 people can be spiteful and jealous and greedy and contrary and materialistic and I think some of this could be shown in ST,when they lose it, to make people identify a bit more.

Yeah I rented it again the other week while I was watching The Wrath of Khan. I had to see it again I assume we're talking about Abrams' Trek.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

I haven't watched it in a while. And the last time I did, I had to skip through the Kelvin and young Spock and Kirk junk to get to the decent stuff. Even then, I still had to skip through that rediculous drilling platform fight scene and the Wonka factory water turbine scene to make the movie "watchable" for me. Even after all that, I was overwhelmed by the sillyness of the swiss cheese plot, Starfleet 90210 characters, and no-dimensional villain. I just don't think I can bring myself to watch it again. Oh well.

 

[RAMA]

I haven't watched it in a while. And the last time I did, I had to skip through the Kelvin and young Spock and Kirk junk to get to the decent stuff. Even then, I still had to skip through that rediculous drilling platform fight scene and the Wonka factory water turbine scene to make the movie "watchable" for me. Even after all that, I was overwhelmed by the sillyness of the swiss cheese plot, Starfleet 90210 characters, and no-dimensional villain. I just don't think I can bring myself to watch it again. Oh well.

So I'm assuming you've watched it more than once by your "announcement"...such self-flagellation and torture!

Hmmm Kelvin is usually one of the scenes mentioned as a favorite. what exactly didn't you like? I consider it to be the best non-Enterprise starship sequence in all of ST history.

 

[number6]

It's interesting that those who couldn't possibly bring themselves to watch the film again have no problem bringing themselves to the BBS day after day to complain about it.

 

[Shatnertage]

The Kelvin scene is one of the most emotionally powerful scenes I've seen in any ST; for me, it's right up there with parts of "The Visitor," "The Defector," and the end of TWoK.

I can understand that some people might be turned off with Kirk's goofy symptoms after McCoy injects him with the Macguffin, but I'm perplexed that anyone could find that opening scene unwatchable, let alone great Star Trek.

 

[M'Sharak]

The Kelvin scene is one of the most emotionally powerful scenes I've seen in any ST; for me, it's right up there with parts of "The Visitor," "The Defector," and the end of TWoK.

I can understand that some people might be turned off with Kirk's goofy symptoms after McCoy injects him with the Macguffin, but I'm perplexed that anyone could find that opening scene unwatchable, let alone great Star Trek.

Yet there have been quite a few who said they didn't like it, for one reason or another. We even had a whole thread about that.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

It IS rewatchable, and I'm starting to get the hang of it.

I think no12 will be nothing like it. Would like to see these characters lose it a bit, though. They're still very decent and controlled. 2010 people can be spiteful and jealous and greedy and contrary and materialistic and I think some of this could be shown in ST,when they lose it, to make people identify a bit more.

What?!? This isn't DS9!

OKay, seriously. The one character who needs specific development is ole Jimmy Kirk. We haven't yet seen why he's in Starfleet. I know they didn't port over Shatner's character in total, and they were right to not do so, but the thing I miss is Kirk's idealism. He really does believe in Federation ideals, and struggles with them when they become inconvenient, which they have a habit of doing.

So there's your "messiness," easily re-introduced into the movies, with just a little character work for Kirk.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

It's interesting that those who couldn't possibly bring themselves to watch the film again have no problem bringing themselves to the BBS day after day to complain about it.

Actually, I only come by every two or three days. And I just loooooove to complain!

 

[I-Am-Zim]

The Kelvin scene is one of the most emotionally powerful scenes I've seen in any ST; for me, it's right up there with parts of "The Visitor," "The Defector," and the end of TWoK.

It's strange. I know it was supposed to be emotional. But I didn't feel a darn thing except boredom. I just wanted that scene to be over so maybe we could get to some good stuff. But instead, we got that stupid car chase in the Iowa desert scene and the almost as stupid Spock wailing on his classmates scene.

Another thing that bugged me was that George Kirk didn't have to die. He could have maneuvered the Kelvin toward the Nararda and pointed it down it's throat, set impulse to full, hit the button, and beamed off to one of the shuttles. He wouldn't have needed autopilot to do that. His death was senseless.

I can understand that some people might be turned off with Kirk's goofy symptoms after McCoy injects him with the Macguffin, but I'm perplexed that anyone could find that opening scene unwatchable, let alone great Star Trek.

Yeah, the whole clown hands thing was pretty stupid. But that was only one of a multitude of stupid scenes in this movie. The Kelvin battle scene wasn't stupid, per se. It was just boooooring. And considering my feeling that the whole Abramsverse is an alternate universe, I had no reason to care one bit about these folks since the characters I do care about are still trotting merily along in the original universe, unaffected in the least by the goings on in the Abramsverse.

 

[number6]

It's interesting that those who couldn't possibly bring themselves to watch the film again have no problem bringing themselves to the BBS day after day to complain about it.

Actually, I only come by every two or three days. And I just loooooove to complain!

So you've basically admitted that you only come here to troll people who like this film... No surprises here.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

It's interesting that those who couldn't possibly bring themselves to watch the film again have no problem bringing themselves to the BBS day after day to complain about it.

Actually, I only come by every two or three days. And I just loooooove to complain!

So you've basically admitted that you only come here to troll people who like this film... No surprises here.

Ummmm. Okay. The same could be said of those who complain about people who don't like the movie. My advice: Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

However, there is a difference between trolling and actually providing a valid opinion with explanations to back it up. That's more than can be said for a lot of the pro-JJ folks. Besides, I don't have time to be on here every single day like some people. I do have a life.

 

[Dukhat]

Actually, I only come by every two or three days. And I just loooooove to complain!

So you've basically admitted that you only come here to troll people who like this film... No surprises here.

Ummmm. Okay. The same could be said of those who complain about people who don't like the movie. My advice: Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

However, there is a difference between trolling and actually providing a valid opinion with explanations to back it up. That's more than can be said for a lot of the pro-JJ folks. Besides, I don't have time to be on here every single day like some people. I do have a life.

Unfortunately, most of the "valid opinions" from Star Trek '09 haters boil down to either "it wasn't my personal view of Star Trek," or "it was a dumb movie," both opinions of which are highly subjective.

 

[number6]

So you've basically admitted that you only come here to troll people who like this film... No surprises here.

Ummmm. Okay. The same could be said of those who complain about people who don't like the movie. My advice: Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

However, there is a difference between trolling and actually providing a valid opinion with explanations to back it up. That's more than can be said for a lot of the pro-JJ folks. Besides, I don't have time to be on here every single day like some people. I do have a life.

Unfortunately, most of the "valid opinions" from Star Trek '09 haters boil down to either "it wasn't my personal view of Star Trek," or "it was a dumb movie," both opinions of which are highly subjective.

This.

And then he posted a video of his TOS Enterprises and chose to include the JJPrise just to whine about it. There's an agenda and we get it: You didn't like the film. There are plenty of things I don't like, I just don't go posting about it on message boards filled with fans of the things I don't like.

I find it entertaining in a sad way that people feel the need to make every thread about how much they hated JJTrek or the JJPrise instead of making a more useful contribution to the discussion.
As a lifelong TOS fan, who stared watching the show when it was first syndicated, I don't see the hate for the new film. Even after multiple viewings, I think this film is a worthy chapter in the Trek Universe. I can't wait to see what this new crew does next and I hope it will be as enjoyable and carry the spirit of the original show the way this one did.

The detractors who seem the most vocal about this film were against this film from the beginning and were already predisposed to dislike it no matter what. Their continual (and hilarious) whining about it certainly exposes this agenda and I find it hard to take anything they say or do seriously.



Keep it up. I'll just make more popcorn. This is almost as entertaining as the Tea Party.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

Interesting. Where have I ever said that I didn't like the film itself? I've actually said on multiple occasions that I really enjoyed the movie. It was very entertaining and fun to watch. With the exception of just a few scenes. It's just not a movie I can watch over and over again like TUC for example (my favorite Trek movie) Unfortunately, it was a very "dumb" movie. The science was shoddy, the references to TOS seemed forced at best and didn't fit with the theme of the movie. In fact, any references to Star Trek in general seemed out of place in this movie. The dialogue was at times very cheesy and Star Wars-y. Most of the characters (with the exception of Karl Urban's McCoy) were not very likeable and made it difficult for me to really give a crap what happened to them. The whole design of the Abramsverse gave me the sense that they took Star Wars, Galaxy Quest, and every B-grade sci-fi flick from the 1980's and melded them together to create the aesthetic of the Abramsverse. As a generic sci-fi summer blockbuster designed to be an action packed thrillride that will make a ton of cash, it was a resounding success. And I enjoyed it based upon those points. However, as a "Star Trek" movie, it failed for me. I wasn't able to connect with any of these alternate reality characters (except McCoy) because they didn't act like their original universe counterparts. Not even OldSpock. NuKirk was a total a$$ monkey who needed a butt-whoppin' real bad (and got several as I recall). NuSpock just needed some sense slapped into his way-too-emotional head. NuUhura should be demoted for not performing her duties professionally because she couldn't stay at her post for more than 5 minutes without playing kissy-face with her superior officer. NuCheckov should still be in elementary school. NuScotty needs to lay off the crack and act like the "miracle worker" he was in TOS. NuSulu needs to learn how to drive. And NuBones was just fine. I really couldn't find any real fault with Urban's portrayal of Dr. McCoy. He was excellent.

My problem isn't with the movie itself. It is with JJA's "vision" of Star Trek. And yes, it is absolutely without a doubt my personal opinion. JJ's NuTrek wasn't what I, personally wanted to see. It didn't look or feel like the Star Trek I've been a fan of for more than half my life. I should have gotten the hint when the TV ads told me this wansn't my father's Star Trek and to forget what I knew. But I still gave them the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately, it wasn't deserved. JJA's NuTrek is a substandard imitation that pales in comparison to the original and will not stand the test of time as TOS has. And yes, that is my opinion. The gushers are of the opinion that the Abramsverse is the most wonderful thing that has ever happened to Star Trek. I don't share that opinion. It's too bad that the JJ lovers believe that those who don't share their opinions are somehow beneath them and less important than they are in the grand scheme. Everybody is entitled to his or her opinion. And on a discussion board, those opinions will be aired, whether the gushers like it or not.

 

[number6]

Brilliant. You're just like the energizer bunny.




How many times did you see the film and did you bring a notebook with you?

 

[RAMA]

Interesting. Where have I ever said that I didn't like the film itself? I've actually said on multiple occasions that I really enjoyed the movie. It was very entertaining and fun to watch. With the exception of just a few scenes. It's just not a movie I can watch over and over again like TUC for example (my favorite Trek movie) Unfortunately, it was a very "dumb" movie. The science was shoddy, the references to TOS seemed forced at best and didn't fit with the theme of the movie. In fact, any references to Star Trek in general seemed out of place in this movie. The dialogue was at times very cheesy and Star Wars-y. Most of the characters (with the exception of Karl Urban's McCoy) were not very likeable and made it difficult for me to really give a crap what happened to them. The whole design of the Abramsverse gave me the sense that they took Star Wars, Galaxy Quest, and every B-grade sci-fi flick from the 1980's and melded them together to create the aesthetic of the Abramsverse. As a generic sci-fi summer blockbuster designed to be an action packed thrillride that will make a ton of cash, it was a resounding success. And I enjoyed it based upon those points. However, as a "Star Trek" movie, it failed for me. I wasn't able to connect with any of these alternate reality characters (except McCoy) because they didn't act like their original universe counterparts. Not even OldSpock. NuKirk was a total a$$ monkey who needed a butt-whoppin' real bad (and got several as I recall). NuSpock just needed some sense slapped into his way-too-emotional head. NuUhura should be demoted for not performing her duties professionally because she couldn't stay at her post for more than 5 minutes without playing kissy-face with her superior officer. NuCheckov should still be in elementary school. NuScotty needs to lay off the crack and act like the "miracle worker" he was in TOS. NuSulu needs to learn how to drive. And NuBones was just fine. I really couldn't find any real fault with Urban's portrayal of Dr. McCoy. He was excellent.

My problem isn't with the movie itself. It is with JJA's "vision" of Star Trek. And yes, it is absolutely without a doubt my personal opinion. JJ's NuTrek wasn't what I, personally wanted to see. It didn't look or feel like the Star Trek I've been a fan of for more than half my life. I should have gotten the hint when the TV ads told me this wansn't my father's Star Trek and to forget what I knew. But I still gave them the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately, it wasn't deserved. JJA's NuTrek is a substandard imitation that pales in comparison to the original and will not stand the test of time as TOS has. And yes, that is my opinion. The gushers are of the opinion that the Abramsverse is the most wonderful thing that has ever happened to Star Trek. I don't share that opinion. It's too bad that the JJ lovers believe that those who don't share their opinions are somehow beneath them and less important than they are in the grand scheme. Everybody is entitled to his or her opinion. And on a discussion board, those opinions will be aired, whether the gushers like it or not.

Interesting, since out of ALL the original ST movies, I think STUC holds up the worst both visually and story-wise..though I walked out ofthe theater in 1991 both times thinking it was great! There was also a lot of questionable science and innaccuracies in STVI (a Klingon home world's destruction debilitating a whole empire????, pots and pans in the galley, looking through books to speak Klingon, phaser fire setting off alarms.. ) Its also shot on super 35 and looks pale and lacks scale and depth compared to anamorphic film. Budget problems kept me from really believing there was a large scale danger and the Klingons were on alert. I never felt the Feds and Klingon fleets were at the brink. There were several "dead" spots in the movie that were fairly boring...the dinner scene for example...they really needed to pick up the pace. In terms of fun, adventure, visual scope, and YES even story, which I and many others including the Writer's Guild of America thought was rather clever...even if some of the Trekkie details needed some more exploration.

RAMA