What would you have liked to see in VOY?
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Well, for the Kazon I would've just had it be that Cullah's group as the only pirate Kazon. The other Kazon groups encountered would all be different from each other, some would be peaceful settlers building a new civilization on some world, others would be mercenaries working for anyone who can pay, others being hired labor, etc.
And I'd model Cullah's crew more after the Marauder guys from "Road Warrior" in appearance, and less like Klingons. Armor that made up of other alien outfits in a patchwork, patchwork ships made from ripping up other ships and piecing them together, etc.
And I'd model Cullah's crew more after the Marauder guys from "Road Warrior" in appearance, and less like Klingons. Armor that made up of other alien outfits in a patchwork, patchwork ships made from ripping up other ships and piecing them together, etc.
I think I might have left the ship the way they are. Oddly enough, gangbangers have better looking cars than they do homes to live in. IMO what should have been done was to make the Kazon drug or weapons runners. That way their desperation to capture Voyager and follow it would make more sense. Voyager & it's technology is the ultimate weapon. Plus, good two shoes Janeway would be interfering in their trade.
You_Guyz
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I'm not sure how a ship in the middle of nowhere and with no external support degrading over time would have been a "cliche".
If by cliche, you mean realistic then yes, it would have extremely cliched and the show was ridiculous non-cliched without it.
Are you using cliche in the sense that a person dying from a terminal illness is cliche or are we in some sort of parallel universe because I'm frankly confused.
In all these apocalyptic tales or "not at home" tales or "people traveling for a long time alone" tales we always see things degrade and fall apart, it's too predictable.
So if HAD to be done, I wouldn't focus on it too much and make it some background thing.
Plus, this isn't like nuBSG where humans and Cylons are the only life in existence, VOY was in a galaxy full of aliens that AREN'T hostile and they have tech available to them that allows them to circumvent that sort of thing by converting space matter into new materials, etc.
"Slowly degrading ship" wasn't some overly necessary thing for the show. If it was to be falling apart, then have it be because of battle damage they couldn't fix till they were away from the danger, not from merely traveling through space. And even then it's still possible to fix everything up to 100% eventually.
So if HAD to be done, I wouldn't focus on it too much and make it some background thing.
Plus, this isn't like nuBSG where humans and Cylons are the only life in existence, VOY was in a galaxy full of aliens that AREN'T hostile and they have tech available to them that allows them to circumvent that sort of thing by converting space matter into new materials, etc.
"Slowly degrading ship" wasn't some overly necessary thing for the show. If it was to be falling apart, then have it be because of battle damage they couldn't fix till they were away from the danger, not from merely traveling through space. And even then it's still possible to fix everything up to 100% eventually.
Exactly.
Besides, Starships aren't any different than regular ships or even cars. As long that the structual integrity of a vessel remain intact, the ship can be repaired and remain operational. If the strutrual integrity, like any of the support beams are damaged then the ship is a total loss. That's why "YOH" had no choice but to be a reset, no ship that badly damaged can be repaired.
You_Guyz
Commander
There wasn't much excuse for there being absolutely no difference in the ship between Caretake and Endgame.
They barely customised the ship, everything remained boring and grey on the inside and even the crew quarters remained boring and sterile. People on the ship should have been getting settled in and we should have seen at least some sort of effort to make it feel like home. I would like to have seen a more homely feel and a hydroponics bay that didn't look like a few plants thrown in a room (didn't even improve by the Void)
Also, I'm not asking for the episode each week to revolve getting supplies, but there should have been more attention made to their unique situation. There wasn't really any excuse for the huge damage to Voyager between The Killing Game and Vis a Vis getting fixed between shows. The show had a unique premise and we were promised continuity with regard to that special situation Voyager was in and damage to the ship etc., we didn't get it and that's one of the reasons Voyager will always be seen as a lower tier Trek show by most Star Trek fans.
They barely customised the ship, everything remained boring and grey on the inside and even the crew quarters remained boring and sterile. People on the ship should have been getting settled in and we should have seen at least some sort of effort to make it feel like home. I would like to have seen a more homely feel and a hydroponics bay that didn't look like a few plants thrown in a room (didn't even improve by the Void)
Also, I'm not asking for the episode each week to revolve getting supplies, but there should have been more attention made to their unique situation. There wasn't really any excuse for the huge damage to Voyager between The Killing Game and Vis a Vis getting fixed between shows. The show had a unique premise and we were promised continuity with regard to that special situation Voyager was in and damage to the ship etc., we didn't get it and that's one of the reasons Voyager will always be seen as a lower tier Trek show by most Star Trek fans.
Energy and material acquired was used by the replicators to keep things in shape.
It's only "boring" and "sterile" to you, for the crew that's how 24th century architecture and stuff is so there was little point in changing it for the sheer sake of change.
It already WAS like home to them.
Really? It seems like you are.
And why not? Damage like that would've cost too much to keep up by the set decorators, would've been irreparable, and thus the ship would now become useless and the show over with the nihilistic ending of them never getting home and being stranded in the DQ forever. Is that what you want?
The premise is pretty much Gilligan's Island, or Lost in Space, and the reason it's considered lower tier (which I disagree with) is because it wasn't a DS9 clone in every way, or a darkfest that ended with the entire crew killed off without exceptions.
You_Guyz
Commander
You're really quite an oddity, aren't you Anwar? You defend Voyager like its your child or something, not to mention that your sole arguing strategy appears to take the words of the other person and twist them or stretch them out to the extreme in your own words so you can seem like reasonable one. Half the stuff you said completely changed the meaning what I had actually said so I'm not going to attempt to argue with someone so unreasonable.
Besides I am pretty safe in the knowledge that the majority of Trek fans are on my side.
Besides I am pretty safe in the knowledge that the majority of Trek fans are on my side.
Good to know I'm not the only one he does that too.
Naomi Wildman, Vorik, Seska, etc.
Why would the Starfleet crew want to mutiny? They all wanted to get home as fast as possible.
Yeah, really suspenseful - remote-pilot a shuttlecraft into the Doomsday Machine, explode its guts, episode over. *yawn*
You_Guyz
Commander
You_Guyz
Commander
You really are the most obtuse being I've ever encountered.
1) No space-nonce Neelix
2) A first officer who could do more facial expressions than "I'm bored", "this buttplug is getting uncomfortable"
3) Any sort of sense they are stuck on the other side of the universe not out for a pleasure cruise
4) Even a glimmer of character development
2) A first officer who could do more facial expressions than "I'm bored", "this buttplug is getting uncomfortable"
3) Any sort of sense they are stuck on the other side of the universe not out for a pleasure cruise
4) Even a glimmer of character development
This.
(I love the description of 2) in particular.
)Lon Suder was a character on that level, but he lasted just two episodes.
But the lack of interesting recurring characters wouldn't be such a problem if VOY writers had bothered to properly develop all of the main cast.
If you don't mind the nitpick, Suder was in 3 episodes.This.
(I love the description of 2) in particular.
Lon Suder was a character on that level, but he lasted just two episodes.
But the lack of interesting recurring characters wouldn't be such a problem if VOY writers had bothered to properly develop all of the main cast.
Meld, Basics 1 & Basics 2
As far as the development of characters, they did that the first 3 seasons and people still didn't like Neelix or Kim and there's only so much you can do with Vulcans, so Tuvok was limited. Beltran sunk his own boat by fucking up every chance he got, so Chakotay was out. So the writers kinda got stuck developing the characters anybody seemed to care about. Fans then complained about the secondary characters they did use. Trek fans seen to hate children, so Niomi & the Borg kids didn't work. Some found Icbeb annoying, he didn't work. Nobody liked Vorik....
Everything they tried, we complained about.
I can almost see why they gave up by the time they got to Endgame.
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