Constantly framing the issue in a way that ignores the actual facts doesn't make those facts go away. It just shows that you'd prefer dishonest discussion.
Should Americans be required to buy health insurance?
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Constantly framing the issue in a way that ignores the actual facts doesn't make those facts go away. It just shows that you'd prefer dishonest discussion.
Hooray for the Medical Insurance Company Welfare and Bailout Act of 2009!
UHC I support, 100%. Tax my ass if it means everyone has a equal shot at getting healthcare.
As for "mandated" purchasing, all that did was make the Insurance companies cum in their pants from the thoughts of the new blood in the water.
"Cherry Picking" is one descriptor, although it's not the one I would have chosen
Minority opinion is an understatment, what he says simply isn't borne out by fact and I have a hard time believing it period. Only 11% of british citizens even have private healthcare, so i'll leave you to draw your own conclusions as to the veracity of his statement
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Plus, I'd like to remind TLS of the poll in TNZ where not a single person from a UHC country mentioned that he'd prefer it abolished (or something like that, I don't remember the exact phrasing).
Plus, I'd like to remind TLS of the poll in TNZ where not a single person from a UHC country mentioned that he'd prefer it abolished (or something like that, I don't remember the exact phrasing).
I don't understand the confusion. The Pilgrims were fleeing religious persecution and our gov't is pushing the Progressive's religious persecution with UHC. I didn't think I had to connect all the dots but there you go.
If you think that health care reform has anything to do with religion, then I gotta tell ya, there's still a lot of confusion going on.
Shaka, when the walls fell.
For something less metaphorical... This morning's debate for US Senator from Mass. The first question deals with Health Care. It's agreed that costs are skyrocketing for Mass and touch on what it means for the federal plan.
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Plus, I'd like to remind TLS of the poll in TNZ where not a single person from a UHC country mentioned that he'd prefer it abolished (or something like that, I don't remember the exact phrasing).
Ooooh, that's a surprise. Let's also remember that America is vastly different than any other country.
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Plus, I'd like to remind TLS of the poll in TNZ where not a single person from a UHC country mentioned that he'd prefer it abolished (or something like that, I don't remember the exact phrasing).
You mean the poll in the unspecified place that we don't mention
But yes anyway, the results of the poll in some forum, can't remember which (
) were:I live in a country with UHC, and I like it. 68 (33.83%)
I live in a country with UHC, and I don't like it. 0 (0%)
I live in a country without UHC, I wish we had it. 94 (46.77%)
I live in a country without UHC, and I do not wish we had it. 39 (19.40%)
Of course, it's worth remembering that most Trekkies are pinko commie socialist scum who just want to leech off the system, so you shouldn't listen to us.
I don't understand the confusion. The Pilgrims were fleeing religious persecution and our gov't is pushing the Progressive's religious persecution with UHC. I didn't think I had to connect all the dots but there you go.
If you think that health care reform has anything to do with religion, then I gotta tell ya, there's still a lot of confusion going on.
Shaka, when the walls fell.
For something less metaphorical... This morning's debate for US Senator from Mass. The first question deals with Health Care. It's agreed that costs are skyrocketing for Mass and touch on what it means for the federal plan.
Oh, so you admit that equating health care reform to religion is something you made up? That's good, we're making progress!
Apparently you think that America is more inept then other countries, yeah. It's a shame you have such a low opinion of the United States!
TheLonelySquire
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That's untrue. I have clearly stated why I believe we need health care reform and what form it should take. How this is accomplished is up for debate, but it should not be by creating a government monstrosity.
We have the best hospitals and doctors in the world. Bar none. We can make them available to people by promoting open competition, thus reducing costs, and t-o-r-t
r-e-f-o-r-m.
The government train wreck bankrupted social security, medicare, medicaid and the post office. Forgive me if I don't trust them while they steal from me and give to someone who should be able to provide for themselves.
TheLonelySquire
Vice Admiral
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Plus, I'd like to remind TLS of the poll in TNZ where not a single person from a UHC country mentioned that he'd prefer it abolished (or something like that, I don't remember the exact phrasing).
Since this board leans about 95% ultra-left that's hardly surprising.
Number One: You do realize capitalism favours a class system of the haves and have nots, no?
Number Two: For the posters such as yourself who quote scripture, allow me:
Matthew 5:5 "Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth."
Just sayin'
^Doesn't suprise me, either.
Now...my $0.02.
No, we should NOT be "required" to buy health insurance.
We should not be "required" to buy ANYTHING.
This is AMERICA, dang it! If the government should "require" us to buy anything--and fine us if we don't, we might as well take the Declaration of Independance and rip it up!!!
Now...my $0.02.
No, we should NOT be "required" to buy health insurance.
We should not be "required" to buy ANYTHING.
This is AMERICA, dang it! If the government should "require" us to buy anything--and fine us if we don't, we might as well take the Declaration of Independance and rip it up!!!
TheLonelySquire
Vice Admiral
Number One: You do realize capitalism favours a class system of the haves and have nots, no?
Number Two: For the posters such as yourself who quote scripture, allow me:
Matthew 5:5 "Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth."
Just sayin'
The last time I checked "meek" didn't mean "those that are not willing to provide for themselves". I've also said many times that children, disabled people and the elderly should not have to worry about health care. It's the perpetually unmotivated who I have a problem with.
Number One: You do realize capitalism favours a class system of the haves and have nots, no?
Number Two: For the posters such as yourself who quote scripture, allow me:
Matthew 5:5 "Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth."
Just sayin'
The last time I checked "meek" didn't mean "those that are not willing to provide for themselves". I've also said many times that children, disabled people and the elderly should not have to worry about health care. It's the perpetually unmotivated who I have a problem with.
Last time I checked "meek" it meant the poor.
What percentage of Americans are "perpetually unmotivated"?
I think there is a natural tendency for humans to solve a problem not ahead of time, but when it becomes a crisis.
Whether we have UHC or not (which is just taxes, people, enough with Teh Socialism), the costs of healtcare are going to become a crisis.
Personally I would rather see that crisis come sooner rather than later, so that we can solve it sooner. Because these two things are fundamentally wrong:
a) health care for some
b) the skyrocketing costs
If we were to start working on the SOLUTION(s) to these problems, rather than bickering over have-havenots issues, I think we would find that the better and more productive course of action.
Personally I think the solutions lie in deregulation and widespread use of plant-based medicine: this is not hippy bullshit, this is something humans have utilized through every period of history except this one. This will force pharmie industries to focus on the things western medicine does well, and undermine the culture of "a pill for everything" that is a huge part of our healthcare cost problem.
There is also a solution in the national food problems: white bread, processed food everywhere you look, corn syrup in nearly everything. People using sanctioned drugs like caffeine in large quantities to boost productivity, at the cost of their personalities, nerves, and sleep cycles. (Caffeine's active effect is to force you to release andrenaline.) A can of soda has more sugar than our human counterparts ingested in nearly two days circa 1900.
As for all this "required" to buy hysteria, again, its a matter of priorities. Republicans and Dittoheads almost never balk at military spending, roads and infrastructure, but if its an urgent care visit for someone w/o insurance, fuck 'em. That's an unChristian, backward attitude. However, we DO need our GOP'ers because cost is a serious, potentially crippling issue. We need them on the side of holistic medicine and deregulation.
A lot of it is the approach. I know someone in MA who is self-employed and has had several surgeries recently, thankfully, a non-life threatening situation. The way the system is set up there, she feels is backwards. It is backwards based on the idea that Western medicine's speciality is surgery and heavy medication, and yet this is when you rack up some big bills. They are sparing people the copays for the regular stuff, and sticking it to them for surgery, and it does seem it ought to be the other way around - somewhat higher regular visit costs, so that when one needs an operation, it doesn't cost them many thousands of dollars. Play to the strengths of western medicine, not its clear weakness which is in prevention.
Prevention lies mainly in the aformentioned dietary and plant-based medicines.
Whether we have UHC or not (which is just taxes, people, enough with Teh Socialism), the costs of healtcare are going to become a crisis.
Personally I would rather see that crisis come sooner rather than later, so that we can solve it sooner. Because these two things are fundamentally wrong:
a) health care for some
b) the skyrocketing costs
If we were to start working on the SOLUTION(s) to these problems, rather than bickering over have-havenots issues, I think we would find that the better and more productive course of action.
Personally I think the solutions lie in deregulation and widespread use of plant-based medicine: this is not hippy bullshit, this is something humans have utilized through every period of history except this one. This will force pharmie industries to focus on the things western medicine does well, and undermine the culture of "a pill for everything" that is a huge part of our healthcare cost problem.
There is also a solution in the national food problems: white bread, processed food everywhere you look, corn syrup in nearly everything. People using sanctioned drugs like caffeine in large quantities to boost productivity, at the cost of their personalities, nerves, and sleep cycles. (Caffeine's active effect is to force you to release andrenaline.) A can of soda has more sugar than our human counterparts ingested in nearly two days circa 1900.
As for all this "required" to buy hysteria, again, its a matter of priorities. Republicans and Dittoheads almost never balk at military spending, roads and infrastructure, but if its an urgent care visit for someone w/o insurance, fuck 'em. That's an unChristian, backward attitude. However, we DO need our GOP'ers because cost is a serious, potentially crippling issue. We need them on the side of holistic medicine and deregulation.
A lot of it is the approach. I know someone in MA who is self-employed and has had several surgeries recently, thankfully, a non-life threatening situation. The way the system is set up there, she feels is backwards. It is backwards based on the idea that Western medicine's speciality is surgery and heavy medication, and yet this is when you rack up some big bills. They are sparing people the copays for the regular stuff, and sticking it to them for surgery, and it does seem it ought to be the other way around - somewhat higher regular visit costs, so that when one needs an operation, it doesn't cost them many thousands of dollars. Play to the strengths of western medicine, not its clear weakness which is in prevention.
Prevention lies mainly in the aformentioned dietary and plant-based medicines.
Oh, really....
TheLonelySquire
Vice Admiral
Number One: You do realize capitalism favours a class system of the haves and have nots, no?
Number Two: For the posters such as yourself who quote scripture, allow me:
Matthew 5:5 "Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth."
Just sayin'
The last time I checked "meek" didn't mean "those that are not willing to provide for themselves". I've also said many times that children, disabled people and the elderly should not have to worry about health care. It's the perpetually unmotivated who I have a problem with.
Last time I checked "meek" it meant the poor.
What percentage of Americans are "perpetually unmotivated"?
Not according to Webster's.
Anyone who is an able-bodied adult expecting someone else to pay for their well being.
TheLonelySquire
Vice Admiral
That's one of the most regrettable things I've ever read on the internet. If someone said that about Obama would you be okay with it? Really?
***ETA - And can you tell me WHY you dislike (hate?) Sarah Palin and her family so much? Please?
