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Who (in character,actor) would you like being the 2nd film's villain?

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There needs to be a villain team-up. ;)
 
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Even though I find him irksome I would like to see Q in a full length film, problem is would he a villain or just a pain in the butt!
 
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I kind of like the idea of a mission more than a specific villain, but I'm not sure the average audience member would go for that.
A similar feeling here. We've had too many singular bad-guys, almost all of them bent on planetary destruction, in many of the latter Trek films. Soran, Shinzon, Rualfo, Nero. FC stands out with a different villian, but again, planetary destruction.
I really need to see a Trek film that's not about saving a planet. It's been a while.

How about Wil Farrel as Finnegan? :shifty:
 
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Some actor choices...

Ian McShane (Deadwood, Kings)
Cate Blanchett (I'm Not There, The Aviator)
Marcia Gay Harden (The Mist, Pollack)
John Carroll Lynch (Carnivale, Fargo)
Adam Arkin (Sons of Anarchy, Chicago Hope)
Rutger Hauer (Blade Runner, Batman Begins)
Misha Collins (Supernatural)
 
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Or maybe the target audience for the X-Men franchise is smarter and deeper than the target audience for the Star Trek franchise? :shifty:
They probably are.
 
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^^^
I agree. Instead of rehashing/revisiting stories and people we already know, the new movies are a chance to explore new and different plots and places. This chance should be taken advantage of.
Yet using Kirk and Spock is somehow okay?

Yes. What I was saying is, yes take the core TOS characters (Kirk, Spock, McCoy, etc.) and put them into new stories and situations instead of just rehashing TOS stories we've already seen.
 
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Why not have an antagonist who is not a villain in the usual sense of the word - someone with a legitimate stance which might be different from our heroes', but is not downright evil or crazy, and someone the audience might actually be tempted to agree with on occasions?

Also, why not have an antagonist or one of the antagonists be someone from the Federation?

Far too complex for Generic Summer Action Flick that Trek XII is sure to be. Stick with Klingons as villains, crazy ass starship battles with pretty splosions, a lead Klingon who spews some semi-philosophical sounding dialogue to make it sound like he's about something, and a Nokia ad. #1 at the weekend box office.
So how did X-Men movies do so well in the "Generic Summer Action Flicks" field, what with Magneto not being your typical eeeevil psycho villain type and all?

Or maybe the target audience for the X-Men franchise is smarter and deeper than the target audience for the Star Trek franchise? :shifty:

X-Men was a different time, a time when movies with some complexities were appreciated. Look at movies of today, Trek XI, Transformers, and so on in that order. Overly simplistic, generic films with clearly defined evil "Mwa-ha-ha" type villains with a plot with as much complexity as velcro.
 
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X-Men was a different time, a time when movies with some complexities were appreciated
Movies with complexities are still appreciated. I don't think the cinematic landscape has changed that much in the last 5-10 years as we still had daft summer blockbusters back then.

Trek XI was deliberately tailored to make lots of money and the films that make the most money are the daft blockbusters, unfortunately.
 
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Posted a poll for existing species and characters as well as a someone new option in: Future Of Trek.
(Secretly I want the next film to be Bill Shatner's REVENGE!!!!)
 
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My bet's on either Khan or Klingons for Trek XII. They want general audiences to go see them, so I doubt we'll have a film without a villain.

Although TVH was very successful and didn't have a villain per se (was the Probe really a villain?)
 
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Not since TUC have we had a Trek film without a planetary destruction plot. I loved Undiscovered Country because the plot was more of a political assassination/mystery nature.

Generations-Soran (He had a motivation, but it was certainly about preventing a planet's destruction)
FC- Borg Queen (Preventing Earth's assimilation)
Insurrection- Ru'afo (Great actor. Lame villain)
Nemesis- Shinzon (Another psycho wanting to destroy a planet. Yawn)
XI- Nero (Yet another one!)

I really want something different in the next one.
 
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Not since TUC have we had a Trek film without a planetary destruction plot. I loved Undiscovered Country because the plot was more of a political assassination/mystery nature.

Generations-Soran (He had a motivation, but it was certainly about preventing a planet's destruction)
FC- Borg Queen (Preventing Earth's assimilation)
Insurrection- Ru'afo (Great actor. Lame villain)
Nemesis- Shinzon (Another psycho wanting to destroy a planet. Yawn)
XI- Nero (Yet another one!)

I really want something different in the next one.

The nerd in me feels the need to note that Soran was destroying stars, not planets (though effectively killing off the population of the Veridian system, yes).

But I'm with you on wanting something/someone really new. I've seen a lot of people want Klingons or Khan, and it'll most likely be Klingons. But I hope then they can make something good of it like in TUC. And I'll be very annoyed if they decide to use Khan. But if they decide they must do that, I just hope they'll actually make him seem intelligent and charismatic instead of just a really strong jerk with loyal followers who we're told is all these great things but never shown any of it.
 
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Well I guess this is as good a time as any to get the "Bring Back Nero" campaign rolling. :devil:
 
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I kind of like the idea of a mission more than a specific villain, but I'm not sure the average audience member would go for that.

I don't know about that. Keep in mind that TVH was the second highest grossing Trek film behind TMP until STAR TREK came out last summer.

And TMP being my fav film of all of them ~dodges a wine bottle being tossed~, I wanna see a Trek film WITHOUT some power hungry conspirator. V'ger, while not a villian, was more dangerous than Khan, 'God', Chang, Soran, The Queen, Shinzon, or Nero put togather. V'ger, while not a real villian, did have Earth by the balls, and was soooooo close to actually offing it.

Plus TMP was not full of pointles battless and explosions. While that idea does not fly with films these days, but I'm not a typical film goer, and do have an attention span much longer than that of a goldfish. If I want pointless battles and explosions, I'll go watch Star Wars. ~dodges yet another wine bottle being tossed~ :p

So let the next film, if there will be one, of course, have the story be about something very alien, something no one on the Enterprise, or the Alpha Quadrent for that matter ( If ole' JJ does not eliminate the idea of quadrents or the galaxy being mostly unexplored. ) have never encountered. To quote Q, "The galaxy is full of wonders both subtle and gross, but it's not for the timid."

I want something like that, please. :D
 
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Plus TMP was not full of pointles battless and explosions. While that idea does not fly with films these days, but I'm not a typical film goer, and do have an attention span much longer than that of a goldfish. If I want pointless battles and explosions, I'll go watch Star Wars. ~dodges yet another wine bottle being tossed~ :p
No, instead it was full of pointless 10-minute long space porn sequences. :rolleyes:
 
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I like the idea of creating new characters and stories. I think perhaps it is time for another Female antagonist. I do like the idea of Cate Blanchett, Gabrielle Union or even Uma Thurman as a villianous bad girl... although I would hate for this type of role to simply be cosmetic (Having a bony pin-thin, pretty waif kick ass...is just not convincing. Sorry.)
 
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