Babylon 5 - I'm finally going to do it
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No, even though if I had I would still be asking questions and really intregued on where this is all going. I'm just going by what I've seen and based on what I've seen, I think I prefer the Shadows over the Vorlons.
I don't think that particular part of your post was what you were being accused of cheating on 
I don't think that particular part of your post was what you were being accused of cheating on
Now I'm confused.
He quoted the entire post, and I haven't been "reading ahead."
Well, it would be spoilers if I said any more.
If this has anything to do with Kosh II, let me explain. The dude is hiding something. He's forcing Lyta to pretty much do all work and she doesn't know what she's doing. He's attacking Lyta for asking questions. He's dismissing Delenn, something Kosh would not do. That, and Lorien did say that Kosh was like Sheridan, holding onto a peice of life instead of just being.
If it was something other than that, fine but I don't know what happens in the next episode. I don't even know what the next episode is called.
It's of historical interest, that's all. It has little to do with this thread at this point. Apologies if these comments were interpreted as looking down on Babylon 5 or anything of the like--that was not my intention.
Falling Towards Apotheosis
Another interesting episode. I've got to say I really haven't been wowed by the episodes this season, but they've still been interesting to say the least. The pacing of this story is going well, and I was really glad they brought back Sheridan and Garibaldi in episode three instead of Episode 6 or 8. This one, the one with the Vorlons continuing their assault on worlds affected by the Shadows and the death of Kosh II, continued that interest trend. Nice to see what a Vorlon really looked like, which looked like an octopus. Also liked the final scene with Sheridan proposing to Delenn. He has 20 years left. Better make the most of it.
As for Londo, if people were thinking I was reading spoilers because what I said about G'Kar's eye, I want to remind you that a few episodes ago (Like the premiere) saw the Shadow ships coming towards Centauri prime, just like Londo's vision in Coming of Shadows. We also saw a vision coming true from War Without End. I just assumed that somehow G'Kar would lose an eye because of what the Visions foretold. Now it's going to happen, even though it's happening in a way I didn't expect. I will say this though, Cartagia is making me miss Refa a bit.
Another interesting episode. I've got to say I really haven't been wowed by the episodes this season, but they've still been interesting to say the least. The pacing of this story is going well, and I was really glad they brought back Sheridan and Garibaldi in episode three instead of Episode 6 or 8. This one, the one with the Vorlons continuing their assault on worlds affected by the Shadows and the death of Kosh II, continued that interest trend. Nice to see what a Vorlon really looked like, which looked like an octopus. Also liked the final scene with Sheridan proposing to Delenn. He has 20 years left. Better make the most of it.
As for Londo, if people were thinking I was reading spoilers because what I said about G'Kar's eye, I want to remind you that a few episodes ago (Like the premiere) saw the Shadow ships coming towards Centauri prime, just like Londo's vision in Coming of Shadows. We also saw a vision coming true from War Without End. I just assumed that somehow G'Kar would lose an eye because of what the Visions foretold. Now it's going to happen, even though it's happening in a way I didn't expect. I will say this though, Cartagia is making me miss Refa a bit.
The season meanders a bit for the first few episodes, but it really picks up soon because they cram in two seasons worth of story into one. You'll see what I mean soon.
The Long Night
The Calm before the storm? That's what this episode feels like, and I have a feeling the next episode is going to kick all tons of ass. That is one massive massive fleet. Vorlons and Shadows with this huge fleet right in the middle. I could ask what the hell are they thinking, but then again with all the planets being destroyed and casulties escalating, it's time to make a stand. Still, I have a feeling I'm going to find out why the first 5 episodes lack action to them.
Anyway, I really really liked Vir in this episode. He has come so far in the course of the series from that nieve assistant to that really well written individual. All his scenes in this episode were great, from the "Maybe he's delirious and says it backwards 'Kill Londo'"
and his talk with Londo when he's drunk. It was very nice to see Cartagia bite it at the end. Serves him right.
So far of the 5, I think this one might be my favorite. Like I said for episode 4, the pacing has been really good, and things are going to pick up in the next episode.
The Calm before the storm? That's what this episode feels like, and I have a feeling the next episode is going to kick all tons of ass. That is one massive massive fleet. Vorlons and Shadows with this huge fleet right in the middle. I could ask what the hell are they thinking, but then again with all the planets being destroyed and casulties escalating, it's time to make a stand. Still, I have a feeling I'm going to find out why the first 5 episodes lack action to them.
Anyway, I really really liked Vir in this episode. He has come so far in the course of the series from that nieve assistant to that really well written individual. All his scenes in this episode were great, from the "Maybe he's delirious and says it backwards 'Kill Londo'"
and his talk with Londo when he's drunk. It was very nice to see Cartagia bite it at the end. Serves him right. So far of the 5, I think this one might be my favorite. Like I said for episode 4, the pacing has been really good, and things are going to pick up in the next episode.
That's not it either. Stop trying to guess or you're just likely to spoil yourself.
You're probably right.
Into the Fire
Babylon 5 is over, goodnight everybody.
I kid, of course, but that felt like a series finale. Vorlons and Shadows are gone, the younger races are on their own, and there is still time to see what other chaos the Universe can create. There are still some unanswered questions, like Earth and President Clark (Just speculation), that there is time to explore.
Anyway, as for this episode, that was great. Loved the battle sequence, and loved that the war was ended, despite the loss of life, by a diplomatic solution, the younger races stepping up and becoming independent. Loved the scene with Delenn on the Shadow side, and Sheridan on the Vorlon side, and them on the middle. It was a great conclusion to the Shadow War, and I'm just really glad there is more time to tie up loose ends. It does almost feel like a series finale though, which is a little sad.
Another highlight was Vir finally getting his wish, Morden on a pike while Vir waves. Nice touch.
I have noticed though (Way before now, but I read up on it) that Furst has really changed this season. I hear it was because of health issues but I wonder what those were specifically.
Epiphanies
There was something about this episode that shouted out, change in direction from War to happenings at home. It felt like a season direction changer, and including Bester is never a bad thing. Looks like another vision is coming true with the arrival of some of the Shadow allies on Centauri Prime. I'm a bit surprised Sheridan didn't know where they were going since he's already seen it. (War Without End II) As for Garibaldi quitting, that's an interesting development to the character. I wonder where that is going to go. Overall, a good episode.
There was something about this episode that shouted out, change in direction from War to happenings at home. It felt like a season direction changer, and including Bester is never a bad thing. Looks like another vision is coming true with the arrival of some of the Shadow allies on Centauri Prime. I'm a bit surprised Sheridan didn't know where they were going since he's already seen it. (War Without End II) As for Garibaldi quitting, that's an interesting development to the character. I wonder where that is going to go. Overall, a good episode.
Yes, but remember, he doesn't know when his vision was supposed to be except that Londo was much, much older. No reason to suspect anything going on so soon.
Jan
Not quite, Londo did say it had been 17 years since the Shadow War, though you're right in that Sheridan would have no clue how long Londo had had his keeper.
As a matter of fact, from what Sheridan said in "Z'ha'dum", for all he knew what he saw was an alternate future in which he didn't go with Anna. After all, not long before that they'd seen a transmission from the fall of Babylon 5 that never came to pass.
The first six episodes of S4 are the high point of the series for me. I give 2 and 4 and 5 and 6 all four stars. Unfortunately "Into the Fire" is also where the series climaxes for me, for obvious reasons. Nothing can top Lorien and Vorlons and Shadows and First Ones. As Delenn says at the end of the episode, the magic is gone out of the universe. Not that there still aren't amazing four star episodes in Season Four of course! 
The real life reason this happened was Season Four was going to be the last season so JMS had to cram all the story he could into one year instead of two, though he says he only ended up cutting out 2 episodes from the Shadow War, that "Into the Fire" would have been a two parter. It's a real shame because practically the entire war happens off-screen. The only time we really see them doing anything is that opening scene in "Into the Fire" where the White Star fleet takes out a little Vorlon listening post. I really would have liked to have seen more of that, more of the Vorlons actually doing something. Oh well.
The real life reason this happened was Season Four was going to be the last season so JMS had to cram all the story he could into one year instead of two, though he says he only ended up cutting out 2 episodes from the Shadow War, that "Into the Fire" would have been a two parter. It's a real shame because practically the entire war happens off-screen. The only time we really see them doing anything is that opening scene in "Into the Fire" where the White Star fleet takes out a little Vorlon listening post. I really would have liked to have seen more of that, more of the Vorlons actually doing something. Oh well.Many fans were bummed about how the Shadow war ended, and abandoned the show. I was not among those. (although a 2-parter would have been nice)
While it in a way felt like the end of the show, it certainly is not. B5 is about more than the Shadow war. And what happens afterwards.
I think the end of season 4 is the strongest group of episodes of the show.
While it in a way felt like the end of the show, it certainly is not. B5 is about more than the Shadow war. And what happens afterwards.
I think the end of season 4 is the strongest group of episodes of the show.
I'm also watching B5 for the first time (started another thread but don't have time to post there regularly) and I was VERY disappointed by the resolution of the war. The few previous episodes were really building up nicely (actually, I like them better than the third season) and then slam! I know I shouldn't compare it to Trek but it's as if the Dominion war ended with 'Sacrifice of Angels'. As someone said it would have been nice to actually see a bit more of the war and it should have taken a bit more time to convince the First Ones to go away. This way it felt a wee bit too much like 'Picard does some speechifing, aliens accept, everything is solved' on a grander scale.
Actually, I was so disappointed that I lost the will to watch B5 for a few days. But, thankfuly I came back to my senses. S4 is shaping up nicely so far.
Actually, I was so disappointed that I lost the will to watch B5 for a few days. But, thankfuly I came back to my senses
. S4 is shaping up nicely so far.Similar threads
