I know right. You'd think a diehard Romulan enthusiast would be uberpissed that those Klingon idiots not only stole my precious Romulans' honor shtick, birds of prey, and cloaks, but are now stealing their terms for ships too.
And yet, no.
Interesting article re: original script (and what got left out)
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I know right. You'd think a diehard Romulan enthusiast would be uberpissed that those Klingon idiots not only stole my precious Romulans' honor shtick, birds of prey, and cloaks, but are now stealing their terms for ships too.
And yet, no.
I know right. You'd think a diehard Romulan enthusiast would be uberpissed that those Klingon idiots not only stole my precious Romulans' honor shtick, birds of prey, and cloaks, but are now stealing their terms for ships too.
And yet, no.
And then there are the rest of us who really don't give a flying frak!
i second that! i know this will probably get me hit over the head, but i have always thought he was much better at comedy than being a swashbuckling spaceship captain. his acting was the weak point in TOS.
....but, it's strange - i just recently finished watching all of them, and i noticed that in the earliest ones, he's not so bad. it was only later that he descended into that choppy, campy thing that has become so notorious that 'shatneresque' entered the lingo to describe such things. did someone give him a bad piece of advice about dramatic acting? if it weren't for the over-use of the pause-for-dramatic-effect thing, he would have been alright.
or maybe it's just that i don't find him attractive, so the idea of him in that character was always a little hard to swallow for me.
either way, i like pine's interpretation and am quite happy they left shatner out of the movie. nothing against him per se, i liked him in boston legal and i wish he could keep doing that forever. but also, pine just doesn't look that much like him, so whereas nimoy and quinto in the same film as the same character worked quite well, i don't think old kirk and nukirk would have meshed anywhere near as well.
....but, it's strange - i just recently finished watching all of them, and i noticed that in the earliest ones, he's not so bad. it was only later that he descended into that choppy, campy thing that has become so notorious that 'shatneresque' entered the lingo to describe such things. did someone give him a bad piece of advice about dramatic acting? if it weren't for the over-use of the pause-for-dramatic-effect thing, he would have been alright.
or maybe it's just that i don't find him attractive, so the idea of him in that character was always a little hard to swallow for me.
either way, i like pine's interpretation and am quite happy they left shatner out of the movie. nothing against him per se, i liked him in boston legal and i wish he could keep doing that forever. but also, pine just doesn't look that much like him, so whereas nimoy and quinto in the same film as the same character worked quite well, i don't think old kirk and nukirk would have meshed anywhere near as well.
I found him attractive in early TOS episodes (although I prefer Spock by far), so that's not the reason why I had a problem with him.When I started watching TOS, I wondered why he gets such a bad rap - he was good in season 1. He didn't even talk in that "Shatneresque" way. But then he started overacting more and more. Maybe he was desperately (and unsuccessfuly) trying to upstage Nimoy. A lot of people who worked on the show say that Shatner expected to be the star of the show, and was jealous of the attention Nimoy was getting (he even had it put in his contract that he had to have more lines per episode!) and that resulted in him asking the writers to write episodes in which Kirk is going mad for some reason etc. because his wanted his character to be more interesting. Maybe that was also the reason why he started overacting.
I thought he was good in the movies when the directors reigned him in (I liked Kirk the best in TWOK and TSFS). OTOH, when he directed himself in FF, he was horrible.
Agreed. Pine only marginally looks like young Shatner, and totally doesn't look like Shatner of today - and Shatner of today looks nothing like TOS Shatner. (Not to mention the difference in height - people do shrink with age, but not that much!!) These days, the audience is more likely to think "Denny Crane!" when they see him, rather than "Captain Kirk!"
Interesting indeed.
I actually hadn't read or know any of this until now.
I actually hadn't read or know any of this until now.
<shurg> eh, computers can do lots of things. i'm still not buying it. it's not all about facial features, either.
Oh, I know.
I'm not one of those who found close physical resemblance to the original actors to be a terribly important factor in casting the new crew. It was just an opportunity for a bit of fun, more than anything else; we'd seen the clip here before, and it's something to see how little change is required to go from one to the other.That one's a less-subtle change than in the Pine/Shatner morph, which I think makes it somewhat less convincing (and possibly even a little creepy.)
i think that kind of thing is creepy in general. but then, shatner wasn't the original pick for kirk anyway, isn't that right? i bet no one here has seen 'the cage,' but does anyone know how that character was originally conceived? the shat owned it to the point that i understand why it was difficult for anyone to imagine someone else playing it. altho' it seems to me that he imbued kirk with many of his own qualities, so it would take some re-imagining to step into. chris pine, for all he looks like one of those victorian paintings of little children, stepped up to that task quite well.
....and really, do we think shatner would have been happy with a little cameo as a hologram? i doubt it.
....and really, do we think shatner would have been happy with a little cameo as a hologram? i doubt it.
If he sang "Happy Birthday" with same gusto as he sang "Mr. Tambourine Man" and "Rocket Man," I'd say we lost out.
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Just a word? You're obviously on the wrong forum!
I know right. You'd think a diehard Romulan enthusiast would be uberpissed that those Klingon idiots not only stole my precious Romulans' honor shtick, birds of prey, and cloaks, but are now stealing their terms for ships too.
And yet, no.
And then there are the rest of us who really don't give a flying frak!
I'm guessing that since you failed to notice the content of my former post, or the sarcasm in my latter post, you must not have read either one. Good job.
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