Yes. And...It depends. There are a few "film sets" for which I willingly turn my "critical eye" way down in sensitivity--Bond movies and Trek (movies and TV) are two (I have my internal rankings of each, but I don't hold them to the same "critical eye" I do other things)...
So you admit to being un-critical and pre-disposed to liking this film, rather than being objective.
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Apart from the generic "hoping the audience likes it", it's not really that hard. The goal of Paramount and Abrams was pretty clear--revive "the franchise" and draw in a new crowd that, with any luck, will stick around for future installments. It only took reading one or two articles to know that.This is something that I'm curious about, short of reading every interview or article on the film prior to watching, digging through their trash for correspondence, hacking their email for same, or telepathy, how can you possibly know what the "goal of the filmmakers" are?Generally, I approach movies by allowing for the goal of the filmmakers. I do not judge a comedy the same way I judge a drama or a thriller or so on. I usually have a pretty strong idea of what the filmmaker is aiming at before I see a film and I judge accordingly...![]()
As for other filmmakers--it's not that difficult either. Familiarity with the directors' work helps. I do read up about films if their premises are at all interesting to me, so I glean information in that fashion. The genre of a film is also frequently indicative of intent. I did say I "usually have a strong idea", not "I have an ironclad understanding of everything the filmmakers' intend".
I've viewed them all over a dozen times. The lessons were never "deep" (and rarely subtle--they appeared both when I was much younger, though). I also think that any "lessons" were secondary to the primary goal of entertaining the viewers. Perhaps my point was not as clear as it should have been--I take issue with the idea that the purpose of Star Trek was to be a deep fount of lessons on morality and ethics. Any such lessons were incidental to the goal of entertaining the viewers and making money.I disagree with your premise that there was never anything "deeper" in Star Trek. I also disagree with your premise that this perception is based on nostalgia. A simple viewing of many TOS episodes can easily show that there were morality plays involved, and therefore lessons that were hoped to be learned. There were episodes wherein the moral was wielded like a sledgehammer, others wherein it was a whisper, and others still without a moral.
I hardly think "gusher" is an appropriate label for my views on the film. I've never called it "the best Trek movie evah", nor have I claimed it was nearly flawless. That I am willing to overlook its flaws sufficiently to be entertained by it cannot be construed as my refusing to acknowledge it has them. As far as being objective about Star Trek--it is not that I am unable to do so, it is that I do not find it worth the effort so I choose to be less objective. One should not construe a lack of desire as a lack of ability.I reject your attempt to call into question objectivity by placing it in scare quotes. Yes, nostalgia clouds our perceptions. However, you are professing your nostalgia and gushing over the movie, while I am simply pointing out the plot holes that exist. I too am nostalgic, but certainly not about plot holes. Never did I claim that prior iterations of Trek were free of these signs of bad writing.
That is a lesson I try to hammer into my students in my professional capacity. It is not, however, an absolute maxim by which I choose to live in all facets of my life. There are some things, entertainment among them, where I deliberately choose to be more or less critical depending on a number of factors. Frankly, after a number of years of trying to be objectively critical almost all the time, I've concluded it is too much effort for too little reward. I know enough to be critical when needed and I also know that a bit of uncritical "enjoyment of the moment" is beneficial. I am, as is everyone, free to choose those moments without the need for external justification.The more familiar we are a thing, the more vigilant we must be to retain our objectivity.
I commend you on your observational skills and your powers of deduction.I have no idea what your age is. That you have children does help somewhat, but you could have had your first quite early in life, I don't know. It was a simple observation from the extra spaces you include in your posts. Thankfully the board filters for that. I notice because I'm also an editor and book designer.As opposed to a computer keyboard? I did (as one can infer from my age) but I do not understand the relevance of this statement.You learned to type on a typewriter.![]()
It does not "prove me wrong". On the contrary, in the case of the particular post to which I was responding, it proves me correct. "Some deep and complex episodes" (leaving aside the level of "depth and complexity" for the moment) does not equate to "at its very soul [Trek] was a show designed to make you think...". That is a generalization unsupported by the evidence. The "flawed nostalgia" to which I refer is the notion, as I alluded to above in a slightly different context, that the PRIMARY purpose of Trek was to "make you think". That it sometimes did is NOT proof that that was its primary purpose. Moreover, it did not "make you think" all that hard (while I would enjoy going through the list of episodes to further illustrate my argument, I do not have time to do so this evening). I do not deny that Trek "made you think" more than some, perhaps most, other shows on TV. But that quality, relative to other entertainment on TV, is not proof positive of any great depth or complexity relative to other sources beyond entertainment.It was NEVER as "intellectually deep" or "complex" as you are trying to suggest. It is this kind of misplaced nostalgia for something that never was...
While the whole was not always that deep or complex, there certainly are instances of it from every series. That there are past episodes that were quite thought-provoking for their time as far back as TOS proves you wrong. Some deep and complex episodes do exist. That is not nostalgia but fact.