Other people find it cringe, but you don’t

[kirk55555]

I really like the Enterprise Theme, both the original version and the sped up one. The full version of the song is something I have in my music rotation.

 

[TheAdmiralty]

Years ago I was at a grad school seminar about sf film, and we watched Star Trek: The Motion Picture. When Voyager 6 was revealed as such, people started rolling their eyes and loudly, repeatedly going “Oh, God! Oh, God!” I know opinions have always been divided on the film, and back then the more recent reappraisals hadn’t started yet, but it felt wildly overreactive.

Less dramatically, I’ve seen the TNG scene (I forget from which episode) where Data is in temporary command, chews out Worf for objecting to a command, then tells Worf he hopes he hasn’t damaged their friendship as cringe, or at least an indication that Data doesn’t know how to deal with people. I dunno, it seemed entirely reasonable to me. (Though admittedly me not knowing how to deal with people wouldn’t be news.)

I was raised on Star Trek so I don't remember not knowing how TMP ends but I definitely would have rolled my eyes at that going in blind on a first viewing.

I don't think it's so much the bulk of that scene with Data but in how quickly it gets resolved. Even if people like Data they still might not be comfortable taking orders from a machine (like the guy on the battle bridge in Redemption). While I love TNG I think it's an example of how it could be too conflict avoidant and never really let the main cast go at it like Spock and Bones or like happened on DS9 at times.

 

[TheAdmiralty]

I don't find a lot of TNG Season 1 to be bad. Most fans consider it pretty cringe-worthy.

I frequently see it ranked as the worst Star Trek season of all time which to me is insane and just grading it compared to the rest of TNG. It's the worst TNG season by an order of magnitude but there's way worse stuff out there (TOS S3, 3 out of 4 Enterprise seasons, PIC S3, the entirety of Voyager). Honestly outside of Duet DS9 S1 is a lot rougher than early TNG, the cast did not mesh at all to start with and felt so clunky interacting with each other. One thing to say for early TNG is the the cast really landed on their feet, almost everybody seemed to have a handle on their character right off the bat and there was immediate chemistry, even in the very early episodes it felt believable that they were all living together on the ship.

 

[FredH]

I was raised on Star Trek so I don't remember not knowing how TMP ends but I definitely would have rolled my eyes at that going in blind on a first viewing.

I don't think it's so much the bulk of that scene with Data but in how quickly it gets resolved. Even if people like Data they still might not be comfortable taking orders from a machine (like the guy on the battle bridge in Redemption). While I love TNG I think it's an example of how it could be too conflict avoidant and never really let the main cast go at it like Spock and Bones or like happened on DS9 at times.

(Sorry, don’t quite get how to break up quotes..)

Re TMP ending: Okay — why? Honest question.

Re Data/Worf: I get what you’re saying re people in general, but Data and Worf have known each other for years at this point. While there’s no indication they’re particularly close, Worf shows definite momentary sorrow when he thinks he’s dead in the Fajo episode. So while I totally buy J. Random Crewman resenting an order from Data, I find it difficult to see that in Worf. (I wouldn’t if they had just met, or if this were one of the early episodes with Lightbulb-Head Worf.)

 

[TheAdmiralty]

(Sorry, don’t quite get how to break up quotes..)

Re TMP ending: Okay — why? Honest question.

Re Data/Worf: I get what you’re saying re people in general, but Data and Worf have known each other for years at this point. While there’s no indication they’re particularly close, Worf shows definite momentary sorrow when he thinks he’s dead in the Fajo episode. So while I totally buy J. Random Crewman resenting an order from Data, I find it difficult to see that in Worf. (I wouldn’t if they had just met, or if this were one of the early episodes with Lightbulb-Head Worf.)

Talked about this in another thread so it's on my mind but it just seems lame that the resolution to this big serious 2 1/2 hour movie is a pun.

Not necessarily saying they shouldn't have resolved it's just way too fast and easy. Data says "I am sorry if I have ended our friendship" and Worf is like "No, it is I who have jeopardized our friendship". Feels like I'm watching a segment on Mr. Rogers teaching kids how to apologize. Gambit is still a great episode I just don't think that one subplot is handled that well.