If Star Trek Has A Disappointing Box Office...?

[darkwing_duck1]

as well as keeping more and more of a new audience out.

Again, only the WRONG ones.

Can you clarify what you mean here?

A BAD writer, producer, etc (like the Triple Bs) will smother creativity and deliver a bland product that excites neither the fanbase nor the casual viewer.

A GOOD writer, producer, etc can find ways to make the material fresh but still truthful to the source. (Manny, the Reeves-Stevenses)

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Darkwing - did you mean anything by the new audience comment, though, with the "again, only the WRONG ones"?

 

[Aragorn]

^ Of course he did. He's the ONE TRUE audience that can understand and comprehend what is REALLY Star Trek, after all.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Nemesis was a terrible movie. As was Insurrection, Generations, First Contact was average.

Nemesis was uninspired, but adequate. Insurrection was pretty good (would have been better without the Son'a blunting the moral issue). Generations and FC were both pretty good.

 

[Michael Chris]

You lost all credibility.

 

[Blue_Trek]

Impossible I say.

Why?

The proof is in the link

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=startrek.htm

Proof of what exactly ?

It will do much better than it's predecessors, and that isn't very hard. Thus it really can't have a disappointing box office draw. If it pulls in more money than any other Star Trek movie then it's successful, isn't it?

And that's only $110 million. But domestic pull isn't everything anymore, I was looking at all the foreign trailers in different languages for this movie.
They will make an impact too.
The highest grossing Star Trek Movie worldwide
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=startrek8.htm

 

[Lythia]

From Deadline Hollywood:

Fandango surveyed more than 4,000 moviegoers planning to see Star Trek and found: 83% plan to see the movie on opening weekend; 10% plan to show up at the theater in some kind of Star Trek costume; 48% are fans of producer-director JJ Abrams; 47% are fans of Heroes star Zachary Quinto; and 67% are male.

There it is...most tickets are going to JJ fans and Zach fans. That's the draw, not the subject matter.

You're seriously suggesting that people who are buying tickets are only buying them because they're either JJ fans or Heroes fans. I'd wager they were Star Trek fans myself.

Is this survey available to view anywhere (as written)? I seriously doubt that one had to tick either "fan of JJ" or "fan of Heroes". Saying the draw is simply JJ and Zach fans is likely the wrong way of interpreting the above. You can be a fan of both JJ and Heroes, plan to show up in costume, see the movie opening weekend and be male. I'm guessing each had it's own box to tick.

Of course, I hit only one of those boxes. I don't especially care for JJ or Heroes, I didn't make time to do a costume, and I'm not male.

 

[Michael Chris]

You're seriously suggesting that people who are buying tickets are only buying them because they're either JJ fans or Heroes fans. I'd wager they were Star Trek fans myself.

Quite a few of us. According to an earlier survey of online ticket buyers 32% hadn't ever seen a Trek film. I have certainly been a big Trekkie, but I can tell you that I would not see this film if it was one of the same old same old. I didn't even see the X-Files movie (my second favorite TV show ever after Firefly).

 

[superdeluxe]

Quite a few of us. According to an earlier survey of online ticket buyers 32% hadn't ever seen a Trek film. I have certainly been a big Trekkie, but I can tell you that I would not see this film if it was one of the same old same old. I didn't even see the X-Files movie (my second favorite TV show ever after Firefly).

That sounds promising.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Darkwing - did you mean anything by the new audience comment, though, with the "again, only the WRONG ones"?

"Wrong ones" referred to writers and producers NOT audiences. In the original post you are questioning, I used the word "again" prefixing that statement, tying it to my statement earlier in that post about writers and producers, not audiences.

^ Of course he did. He's the ONE TRUE audience that can understand and comprehend what is REALLY Star Trek, after all.

See my response to Kirkusabove...

 

[Lythia]

You're seriously suggesting that people who are buying tickets are only buying them because they're either JJ fans or Heroes fans. I'd wager they were Star Trek fans myself.

Quite a few of us. According to an earlier survey of online ticket buyers 32% hadn't ever seen a Trek film. I have certainly been a big Trekkie, but I can tell you that I would not see this film if it was one of the same old same old. I didn't even see the X-Files movie (my second favorite TV show ever after Firefly).

Actually, me either. If this film was more of the Next Gen bunch, I wouldn't already have tickets to two different showings this weekend. I didn't see Nemesis in a theatre, and nor did I see the latest X-Files movie - never even got around to renting it (though I adored the series).

Please don't get me wrong, I'm very happy that this film will appeal to those who haven't been exposed to Trek or who have avoided it in the past. My point was saying that the survey result was being skewed.

 

[Dayton3]

Can anyone be certain that internet sales and early ticket sales aren't not giving a skewed picture of interest in the movie?

After all, aren't the vast majority of movie tickets still purchased at the theatre?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Can anyone be certain that internet sales and early ticket sales aren't not giving a skewed picture of interest in the movie?

After all, aren't the vast majority of movie tickets still purchased at the theatre?

You'll have your answer in three days. It's not the one you want.

 

[superdeluxe]

Can anyone be certain that internet sales and early ticket sales aren't not giving a skewed picture of interest in the movie?

After all, aren't the vast majority of movie tickets still purchased at the theatre?

They are, but internet sales is one way to gauge interest, they usually go hand in hand with how big the movie is going to be.

Edit: for example, a couple of folks over at wokj uses yahoo movie user ratings to figure out the box office. They are usually very close. to

 

[Dayton3]

I would be very interested in seeing a demographic breakdown of the early ticket buyers.

It could speak volumes.

 

[Aragorn]

^ Of course, no matter what that breakdown would say, you'd just spin it your own way.

 

[Dayton3]

^ Of course, no matter what that breakdown would say, you'd just spin it your own way.

Wouldn't you do the same?

 

[Borgminister]

Let's see, doesn't want it going mainstream, yet is pre-lambasting performance.

Strange.

 

[Aragorn]

Well, let's see, Dayton -- I'm looking forward to the movie, but if it sucks I'll say it sucks. You're looking forward to hating this movie, and if it's good you'll still hate it to fulfill your own prophecy. There's a big difference there, don't you think?

 

[Dayton3]

Well, let's see, Dayton -- I'm looking forward to the movie, but if it sucks I'll say it sucks. You're looking forward to hating this movie, and if it's good you'll still hate it to fulfill your own prophecy. There's a big difference there, don't you think?

I'll admit it if the movie is good.

That said, even if the product is good doesn't mean I like the direction it might take the franchise.

There in lies the same direction as nuBattlestar:Galactica