Heaven forbid people like it.
If Star Trek Has A Disappointing Box Office...?
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Heaven forbid people like it.
Well, as I said in the main thread, I liked it a lot, but didn't think it was perfect. It makes me hold out some hope for the franchise. I have no problem with 'new fans'. It won't go in the same direction as nuBSG. Don't be such a worry wart, Dayton.
I'll just add that if they do decide to make a TV series again (though not TOS, leave it as movies), they could do a helluva lot worse than getting Coto and the Reeve-Stevens again, they did good, and the R-S books are about the only Treklit I read.
I'll just add that if they do decide to make a TV series again (though not TOS, leave it as movies), they could do a helluva lot worse than getting Coto and the Reeve-Stevens again, they did good, and the R-S books are about the only Treklit I read.
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What is stopping the series from going into the direction of New BSG if the movie is a success? Wouldn't it stand to reason that the execs would determine that method is the most profitable due to the precedent set by the aforementioned movie and model the series after the movie in as many regards as logistically possible? If the old formula has apparently failed and the new formula has succeeded, what formula will the powers that be most likely to pick?
I would hope so.
Well it's either this direction or no direction. You don't have to like it, obviously, but I wonder sometimes about fans who don't realize how lucky we are to get anything after the past 12 or 13 years, let alone something this good.
I'll second that!
Binary thinking, and an inaccurate view at that. An idea losing its soul is much more damaging to the idea than a temporary lull. Ideas cannot be killed, but they can be mutated to a point beyond recognition. Hopefully the second movie, if the reports are to be believed, will have more substance than this supposedly has.
Thought can be mixed with action, it is possible. Sturm and drang without a thought to back it up is merely hot air, after all.
Fair enough. I gather from your post that you haven't seen it. I could be misreading, though.
I just saw it a few hours ago and I think your characterization of this movie is completely wrong. Sound and fury? You bet. But it counts for something. It counts for a lot, actually.
EDIT: Also, it's not binary thinking. I realize that from a story standpoint they could have literally gone anywhere. But by all accounts, Abrams and Co. were the only ones in town that wanted to do Trek and this is the only story they wanted to do. So it was literally this or nothing.
Binary thinking in that it is either this approach or nothing at all, there is a middle road, you know. Abrams could have done anything, and being a businessman first and foremost, he chose the LCD approach. Fair enough, that makes sense from a view driven purely by profit, but it has its limitations.
Perhaps my view on the movie is wrong, if so, could you please enlighten me as to the philosophical message of the movie? From what I have heard from those who have seen it, it is rather hard to determine what that is, or it is barely detectable. If the storm and stress actually accounts for something, and it is "alot" as you have stated, what exactly is "it"?
There's no doubt in my mind this movie is going to make a trillion dollars this weekend. All five showings at the theater tonight were booked.
I think you misunderstood me. I know they could have taken it in any direction from a story standpoint. But they didn't want to. They wanted this direction. And given they were the only ones who were interested in doing any Trek at all, we could have had this version or nothing. They've said they wouldn't have done it if they couldn't tell this story. So, from a fan's perspective it is quite binary. And not falsely so.
Look, it's not Plato. But it is more than a series of explosions hung on a bullshit plot. More importantly, it's about the characters we know and love. You're not going to learn anything new about yourself or the human condition watching this movie. But that almost never happened in TOS anyway for all its lofty accolades.
If you're a Trek fan, you'll gain a new insight into the characters you love. If you're not, there's lots of shit that explodes. Maybe the next film will tackle something deeper? For this one, I didn't care.
Fair enough on the first point, but I question the rationale for just accepting whatever comes along.
As for the second point, my expectations of Trek are exactly of that sort of exploration. Granted, I'm more a fan of TNG and DS9, but from what I have seen of TOS it is not entirely devoid of such attributes. A good action movie, perhaps, but I have far more brutal titles to watch or play if I was purely interested in explosions and bloodshed. In short, I am still unsure as to whether or not I want to help fund this. I'll probably still watch it, of course, my dislike is not an irrational one. But I will wait until I can rent it on Netflix, so I have a minimal impact on the film's theatre sales.
I think this film is Batman Begins and the next Trek will be The Dark Knight.
And Khan will be the one to turn Gary Mitchell bad.
on a very basic level it is how people react when life sends nasty curves at you.
do you cringe,, do you run around in anger.
or do you arise to the challenge and rise above it.
that is it on a very basic level.
which is a basic theme from tos..
that of that period was not perfect but had to constantly strive to better.
The box-office will NOT disapoint. The WOM is insane
I saw it last night at 9.45 PM showing. There weren't a lot of people in the cinema, which is what I expected, certainly here in Holland where Trek has a huge following but not a lot of mainstream appeal. There were about 25 people in the audience, most of them uber Trekkies. My girlfriend did not feel comfortable at all. 
I agree 100%.
People across all forums are saying mostly GREAT to EXCELLENT things about Star Trek. The WOM is insanely positive for a Trek movie.....and I'll be going with a huge group of non Trekkers tonight.
Any early numbers yet?
Somewhere around 80-100 million
Isn't Variety forecasting around a $50-60m opening weekend?
While this would be a good result for any film, it indicates that Star Trek will probably not break even globally as non-US Trek box office figures have historically been very low.
While this would be a good result for any film, it indicates that Star Trek will probably not break even globally as non-US Trek box office figures have historically been very low.
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