As much as I try to.
Well that's "Court Martial" and "Obsession" gone then (SPOILERS)
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As much as I try to.
Ahem, it's "lead" - And the Children Shall Lead.
BONK! BONK!
BONK! BONK!
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"Bonk! Bonk!" is from Miri.
"Bonk! Bonk!" is from Miri.
Oh yeah. 
Uh, hmm, er, just testing.
Uh, hmm, er, just testing.
That, my friend, is what the Onlies might term "a foolie."
Well, maybe it'll clear up alot of the idiosyncrasies of Kirk's early history. For example:
1) When did Kirk serve on the Republic when he stated that he that Captain Garrovick and the Farragut was his first assignment?
2) How, when, and why was he at the Academy when Gary Mitchell referred to him as a stack of books with legs and in Lt. Kirk's class you either think or sink?
3) How did Pike hand pick him to be the next Captain of the Enterprise if Kirk met Pike only once, and that's when Pike was promoted to Fleet Captain?
1) When did Kirk serve on the Republic when he stated that he that Captain Garrovick and the Farragut was his first assignment?
2) How, when, and why was he at the Academy when Gary Mitchell referred to him as a stack of books with legs and in Lt. Kirk's class you either think or sink?
3) How did Pike hand pick him to be the next Captain of the Enterprise if Kirk met Pike only once, and that's when Pike was promoted to Fleet Captain?
"Bonk! Bonk!" is from Miri.
The Law & Order version: Doink! Doink!
Either Kirk got a field commission as an Ensign while still at the Academy, and took a cadet cruise on the Republic; or Captain Garrovick commanded both the Republic and the Farragut. Either is possible, really.
It seemed fairly clear to me. At some point, Lieutenant James T. Kirk returns to the Academy to teach a class. Could be any time when he has that rank.
Pike's promotion could have taken place any time. It doesn't even have to be at the same time when he turned over command to Kirk. They could have met at some point, then Pike - impressed with Kirk's performance as an officer - decided he would later turn over the Enterprise to Kirk, whenever Pike would eventually leave the ship. This can even fit with ST XI.
Why would Pike hand pick the next Captain of the Enterprise in the first place? I don't think that a Starfleet Captain can chose his successor, that would be the responsibility of Starfleet Command!
Let's be honest.
This whole thread topic is hypocritical.
Before we go marching to tar/feather Abrams for violating 'canon',let us remember that canon is rife with so many errors,inconsistencies(deck 29,anyone ?) and bogus info that its useless as a guide base now.
If you follow DS9 'canon',you'll contradict TNG canon,and if you follow Voyager canon then you're contradicting Enterprise canon.
Sure,there is a general framework to follow ,but castrating Abrams for changing canon is hypocrisy when the writers of the above shows (and movies!)threw it out the window on a weekly basis.
People,let's save the vitriol until the movie's out.Ill betcha these same people whining about canon won't give a f*#@ once they see what Abrams made.
This whole thread topic is hypocritical.
Before we go marching to tar/feather Abrams for violating 'canon',let us remember that canon is rife with so many errors,inconsistencies(deck 29,anyone ?) and bogus info that its useless as a guide base now.
If you follow DS9 'canon',you'll contradict TNG canon,and if you follow Voyager canon then you're contradicting Enterprise canon.
Sure,there is a general framework to follow ,but castrating Abrams for changing canon is hypocrisy when the writers of the above shows (and movies!)threw it out the window on a weekly basis.
People,let's save the vitriol until the movie's out.Ill betcha these same people whining about canon won't give a f*#@ once they see what Abrams made.
Dusty Ayres
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Exactly what 'plotholes' did Nemesis REALLY have? I'd love to hear them, because I didn't think that it was that much of a stinker as many of you so-called 'fans' on this board did.
Blue_Ranger
Lieutenant
"The Romulans tortured me all my life...but you know what...I won't attack Romulus! Let's attack Earth instead!"
I got to tell this one had me scratching my head as well. Or the light sensitive Remans board the Enterprise so let's turn the lights down real low or we're on the lowest deck of the ship but there's a fifty foot drop below.
For all the flaws over the years in Trek, nothing has vexed me more than the Enterprise being built on the ground, out in the open in Iowa. Hell... I can live with the giant space drill.
Worf? Wesley? B-4? Shinzon? Romulan Ale?
Dusty Ayres
Commodore
Shinzon is pretty obviously emotionally and possibly mentally disturbed, and his attack on Earth was a way-in his own sick mind-of validating his rule as Praetor. He also was feeling resentment at Picard being better than him in some way, and so again, he attacked Earth.
As one poster put it two years ago, this was the result of yet 'another atypical Romulan ploy' to quote Data-one that went horribly wrong, and came back to bite them, and the Federation, in the ass. The real reason this movie failed is because people had a bug up their collective asses about The Two Towers, that 'bug' being the frenzy with which people were wanting to see it. Nemesis just got crushed by it, the same way E.T. and Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan crushed Blade Runner. Nemesis was never that bad, just not 'cool' enough.
Nemesis was WORSE than "that bad". Utter and total crap without a single redeeming quality. Don't dress up the garbage bin...it still stinks just as bad.
Had it been anywhere NEAR as good as you suggest it would have taken off bigtime on DVD. It didn't. It won't. Do not defend the indefensible.
Had it been anywhere NEAR as good as you suggest it would have taken off bigtime on DVD. It didn't. It won't. Do not defend the indefensible.
Yes. What's the problem with that?
I watched Star Trek (in all forms) for one simple reason: To be entertain.
I never even care about canons. Matter of fact, I never knew about the canons concept until I started posting on Trek TBBS.
Oversaturation and the lethal load of forty years of nitpicking continuity are among the reasons old Trek finally ended, yeah. The fact that it was repetitious and really wasn't changing with the times were others.
People who don't want to fret decades of arcane minutae called "continuity" aren't lazy. They're normal.
People who don't want to fret decades of arcane minutae called "continuity" aren't lazy. They're normal.
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