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HEROES 3x01 "Second Coming" and 3x02 "Butterfly Effect" Discuss/Grade

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Re: HEROES 3x01 "Second Coming" and 3x02 "Butterfly Effect" Discuss/Gr

Hmm, Nathan as a senator that is also developing a devine following.... Kind reminds me of Obama ! LOL speaking of the election Angela could pass as an older Sarah Palin! Maybe she is Palin from the future.. :) :)
 
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Please. She may be an evil witch, but Angela's brighter than that dimbulb Palin any day. Have some respect for the evil old wench. :devil:

You know, if they made Peter's actions entirely about he and Nathan, this storyline still might be salvaged. What did naughty Nathan do in the original future?
 
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Hmm, Nathan as a senator that is also developing a devine following.... Kind reminds me of Obama !
I was thinking more Sarah Palin. Is Nathan a Republican? I got that impression. ;)

What did naughty Nathan do in the original future?
Never watched Five Years Gone?!? :eek: One of the best episodes evah! Probably my all time personal favorite. Just in case you don't want to be spoiled...

Nathan was President and persecuted mutants (with Matt's help, lol, he was head of Homeland Security) and conspired with Dr. Mohinder (stupid and gullible in every reality) to wipe out the mutants on the pretext that they are too dangerous but it turns out Nathan had been replaced sometime previously by Sylar who had shapeshifting powers - there used to be a shapeshifter on the show - that allowed him to imitate Nathan. So now we know he killed his own brother, bad boy.

Peter and Hiro team up to try to stop Nathan, Matt and Mo - big fun. The episode ends with the start of a big Peter vs Sylar showdown, of which we never see the end. That timeline is now moot but parallel things could still happen in other timelines, such as Peter's scar which existed in the FYG scenario as well.

Interesting eonline article about this episode with non-spoilery teases about the future until the very last line, which is semi-spoilery.

Re the new Petrelli bro:

Adrian: "We'll show him what it's like to be a Petrelli, to have grown up a Petrelli. And by the way, you think you know but you don't know the full story. I can't really get into that."
Yeah but I can imagine. :D
I also checked in with new series regular Cristine Rose (Angela Petrelli), who tells me of the maternal surprise: "I didn't know until I read the script. Although, actually, Zach Quintoguessed it!" Clever boy.
That's funny that actors are speculating about plot twists like we are. (At one point, I wondered if Elle was going to be revealed as Sylar's sister.)
Ando Is Evil! How else would you explain that scene from the future where Hiro's BFF and right-hand man went all Elle on Hiro and killed him with a bolt of electricity? Honestly, how would you?
Why is everyone assuming Ando's the evil one in that scenario. :wtf:

It Won't Be All Roses and Sunshine for Peter and Sylar: "We do have a couple of scuffles," Milo teases of what's ahead for his character and his new bro.
Aw, cuz I couldn't guess that. :lol:

And the one thing that's slightly spoilery in the article, which makes me laugh because this show doesn't know when to stop:

More Petrellis Will Be Revealed: Guesses?

Mama Petrelli's got one busy womb there, tho technically, more Petrellis could be from daddy's indiscretions. As for guesses, I still see a family resemblance between Sylar and Elle. Other than that, characters need to stop having sex with each other because they're taking a serious risk of accidental incest. That stuff with Sylar and Claire is now even ickier, for instance.
 
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E! Online said:
Ando Is Evil! How else would you explain that scene from the future where Hiro's BFF and right-hand man went all Elle on Hiro and killed him with a bolt of electricity? Honestly, how would you? I'd love an explanation in the comments below from any and all theorists!
That's easy: We don't know anything about that scene. We didn't even get to hear them talking; we just saw subtitles. For all we know, neither was doing the wrong thing. Ando may have been after the formula to stop the ever gulliable Hiro from giving it to the Bad Guys under the pretense of saving the world/saving someone special. It also didn't look like Ando was killing Hiro so much as just knocking him out.

Honestly, I didn't see any BadThings in that scene until Hiro started assuming it once we got back. Which, if you ask me, is only going to lead to a self-fulfilling prophecy. If anyone turns Ando bad, it's going to be Hiro himself for acting the way he is.

E! Online said:
Claire's Brain Is "Not Like the Others": And according to Sylar, she "can never die." And now, neither can he. And so because Peter also absorbed Claire's power, I'm assuming we now have three Petrellis who are immortal?
Nah. If Peter were equally immortal, he wouldn't have the scar. Or even look like he'd age at all. He just seems to be able to mimic the outward extent of the power, and probably only when he's not overdoing it by using multiple other powers simultaneously.
 
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While we're on the subject of Hiro, would everyone agree with me that taking the formula out of his father's safe was an incredibly selfish thing to do? God forbid he can't run around as a hero...his destiny comes before the safety of the entire planet. There can be no justification for Hiro's actions whatsoever.
Nah, I thought that was played mostly for laughs.

"Your special destiny is this: Whatever you do, don't press the red button."
[Presses red button.]
"I told you not to press the red button!"

BTW, I think that Claire is this "chosen one" who is "pure of blood" or whatever. Save the cheerleader so she can save the world...again. It all adds up with Sylar making such a big deal about how special she is...just like Starbuck.

I thought the scene was funny too. Don't get me wrong. But on a serious level, it was both reckless and incredibly selfish.
 
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We will find out in a later episode that speedster girl is related to Claude so she has invisiblity powers as well. So she lived there for weeks just so she could catch him opening the safe. The perfect thief!:evil:

I'm quite sure that Daphne doesn't have invisibility powers, as it's just superspeed.
 
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Never watched Five Years Gone?!? :eek:

Sure I did, but that future timeline is gone. I know that Nathan implicated Sylar in the explosion in order to protect Peter. However, I was uncertain exactly when Sylar had killed and replaced Nathan. I'm presuming Sylar didn't blame himself publicly or he wouldn't have been so pissed off at Peter. I was under the impression that the persecution of the other mutants had been entirely Sylar's doing. I could have been wrong, of course. This timeline, though, Nathan was the whistleblower, so what could he have done that was so awful? :confused:
 
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Never watched Five Years Gone?!? :eek:

Sure I did, but that future timeline is gone. I know that Nathan implicated Sylar in the explosion in order to protect Peter. However, I was uncertain exactly when Sylar had killed and replaced Nathan. I'm presuming Sylar didn't blame himself publicly or he wouldn't have been so pissed off at Peter. I was under the impression that the persecution of the other mutants had been entirely Sylar's doing. I could have been wrong, of course. This timeline, though, Nathan was the whistleblower, so what could he have done that was so awful? :confused:

It was President Nathan's fault at least according to Future Sylar. Maybe Nathan had already started setting up the camps and Sylar just upped the evilness? Sylar said:

"When I killed Nathan he'd already turned against his own kind."

Not sure if there is any truth to that or Sylar was just trashing Nathan's image.
 
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Yeah, maybe Nathan did turn against them, but I have to wonder what he did this time around to make Peter do what he did. There's got to be some reason. They can't have scripted Peter as being so unspeakably stupid that he'd shoot Nathan without trying to talk to him first.

I hope. :shifty:
 
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We will find out in a later episode that speedster girl is related to Claude so she has invisiblity powers as well. So she lived there for weeks just so she could catch him opening the safe. The perfect thief!:evil:

I'm quite sure that Daphne doesn't have invisibility powers, as it's just superspeed.

I was kidding with that post. Hence the evil smiley.:angel:
 
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Yeah, maybe Nathan did turn against them, but I have to wonder what he did this time around to make Peter do what he did. There's got to be some reason. They can't have scripted Peter as being so unspeakably stupid that he'd shoot Nathan without trying to talk to him first.

I hope. :shifty:
Maybe he did talk to Nathan. Future-Nathan. Nathan has a tendency to go from neutral to nice to neutral to evil to redemed good. Perhaps it was Future-Nathan's idea, after seeing the results of what he helped create, that he convinced Future-Peter to go back and stop him before it began.

Just one of any number of possibilities. I think people need to stop assuming the first based on the first few episodes. If nothing else, Heroes has proven that what you see at first isn't usually what actually is.
 
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Which raises an intriguing possibility: will Sylar realize that he doesn't have to chase any mutant besides Peter? Just follow his little brother around and open his skull periodically
Actually he just has to open him up once to see how Peter gains the powers and take the power taking power.
 
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Which raises an intriguing possibility: will Sylar realize that he doesn't have to chase any mutant besides Peter? Just follow his little brother around and open his skull periodically
Actually he just has to open him up once to see how Peter gains the powers and take the power taking power.

I think Sylar is going to be much more selective on what powers he will choose to steal now that he has Claire's healing. In the past it was whatever power that he sensed whether it ended up good or bad for him like Dale's hearing. Right away I saw that he wanted to get the powers of the most dangerous criminals around before even thinking about Peter. They were already locked up and would have been easy prey if Elle hadn't blown up on him.

Peter seems like too much work for a power that he pretty much already has now. Peter has the no killing required power but is it worth getting his ass kicked just to get that power?
 
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Never watched Five Years Gone?!? :eek:
Sure I did, but that future timeline is gone. I know that Nathan implicated Sylar in the explosion in order to protect Peter. However, I was uncertain exactly when Sylar had killed and replaced Nathan. I'm presuming Sylar didn't blame himself publicly or he wouldn't have been so pissed off at Peter. I was under the impression that the persecution of the other mutants had been entirely Sylar's doing. I could have been wrong, of course. This timeline, though, Nathan was the whistleblower, so what could he have done that was so awful? :confused:

Just telling the world about the mutants could have gone horribly wrong. Peter is a pigheaded and emotionally unstable person and under enough pressure, his love for his brother could turn to rage. And even tho the 5YG timeline is gone, I'm assuming that there will still be a lot of parallel developments in all the timelines we've seen and no doubt are going to see - anything that's driven by one of the characters' personality traits is likely to follow a parallel path. Even under two different scenarios, Peter is the same sort of person, someone who can go bad very easily due to his damning combination of self-pity and stupidity. :D

Maybe he did talk to Nathan. Future-Nathan. Nathan has a tendency to go from neutral to nice to neutral to evil to redemed good.
That's a very good point. Like Peter, Nathan has a damning tendency of his own - to be morally flexible and insensitive to those around him when focused on a goal. Right now, he's playing Saint Nathan, but wow he was a jerk in S1, and jerk-ness like that doesn't just vanish as a personality trait.

If stuff hits the fan, people will retreat under pressure to their core personalities. Nathan is a pragmatist who will do whatever works, regardless of who gets steamrollered. Peter is emotionally fragile and hypersensitive, who is unlikely to take being steamrollered very well. I can imagine situations that would send them on a collision course. It could take years to get that bad, but the Future Peter seems to be several years older so I'm assuming that's the case.

The key here is that Future Peter went through a lot of stuff we didn't see, maybe will never see. We just have to judge whether the outcome we saw was plausible under some sort of scenario and I think it is. Maybe some horrific event just before his journey to the past was the propelling factor sending him after Nathan in a rage - acting impulsively without thinking, perfectly in character for him. Once he'd calmed down and realized this Nathan wasn't going to blab, he was no longer homocidal towards Nathan.

Which raises an intriguing possibility: will Sylar realize that he doesn't have to chase any mutant besides Peter? Just follow his little brother around and open his skull periodically
Actually he just has to open him up once to see how Peter gains the powers and take the power taking power.

Ah right, and that reminds me of a plotline I wondered about in S1. Why doesn't Sylar just try to make a deal with Peter, to get his powers and therefore never have a motive to kill. If Sylar doesn't have a reason to kill, would he still be "evil"? He's not going to start knocking over liquor stores - with the ability to get all the powers he wants in a peaceful manner, he should be content.

Of course in 5YG, his ultimate goal became to "kill off the competition," but Peter couldn't know that. And Peter could even survive. I'd like to see Sylar at least try that line of argument.
Peter has the no killing required power but is it worth getting his ass kicked just to get that power?

That's why Sylar should try persuasion and simple logic. Then again, I just ranted at length about how completely irrational Peter is. Once he finds out what Sylar did to Claire, he'll go completely ballistic.
 
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All I know is that I want major brotherly angst and I didn't get it. Nathan was too damned reasonable when Peter confessed. :scream:
 
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The key here is that Future Peter went through a lot of stuff we didn't see, maybe will never see. We just have to judge whether the outcome we saw was plausible under some sort of scenario and I think it is. Maybe some horrific event just before his journey to the past was the propelling factor sending him after Nathan in a rage - acting impulsively without thinking, perfectly in character for him. Once he'd calmed down and realized this Nathan wasn't going to blab, he was no longer homocidal towards Nathan.

I saw a few scenes taking place in the future in the upcoming episodes preview. We will probably find out more about Future Peter's motives. It would be cool if Nathan was alive in Future Peter's timeline and they weren't on speaking terms.
 
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What do you think this is, Supernatural? :p

What can I say? I'm spoiled by the scrumptious masculine delight that is the Winchester brothers. :evil: Once you have a brother selling his soul for the other, it's hard to go back. Nathan and Peter were my methadone during the hiatus.
 
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All I know is that I want major brotherly angst and I didn't get it. Nathan was too damned reasonable when Peter confessed. :scream:
What do you think this is, Supernatural? :p


Wincest and Nathan/Peter seems to be pretty popular in Supernatural and Heroes fandoms. So the two shows have that rabid fangirl fanbase in common at least.:lol:
 
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All I know is that I want major brotherly angst and I didn't get it. Nathan was too damned reasonable when Peter confessed. :scream:
What do you think this is, Supernatural? :p

Yeah the Petrellis are much more frakked up. And Nathan is much more of a father figure for Peter, which might have made him more peaceful about it. Also, was he convinced that God revived him at that time?
 
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